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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:20 pm

War of Words going on in Ottawa.

The League says they won't investigate this, but if I'm the New Jersey Devils I'm asking "Why not!?"

Alfredsson admits he and the Senators planned to circumvent the salary cap and that he planned to retire before this past season (where he made only $1M) so that the team could lower his cap hit in the earlier seasons of the deal.

"When I did my last contract for four years ending in the (2012-13) season, I was asked to help the team manage the salary cap by adding on a extra year to my contract," he said in an opening statement. "I agreed. Each side fully expected I would retire and not play the 2012-13 season."


So the league punishes New Jersey because they believed Kovy wouldn't finish his deal, Alfredsson admits he was negotiating along the same lines and they just say

"I would say that if negotiations went down precisely as Daniel described (them), that would be a concern," Daly stated in an email to The Citizen. "We haven't independently verified that, and at this point we don't intend to."


LOL to this league.

As a side note, I don't blame Alfy one bit for leaving. Playing last year on a $1M salary is a big bonus to the Sens, and they wait until the last minute to offer him $4.5M? Yeah, see ya later.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BingoTough » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:24 pm

Jovocop wrote:Things are not looking good for Hodgson.

http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-sign-Tropp ... n/16998240

Hodgson could become a big problem. He’s represented by one of the sleaziest agents in pro sports, Rich Winter. Winter led Dominik Hasek to many, many poor decisions and he already made Hodgson a guy that just wasn’t worth keeping around by causing problems in Vancouver. I’m not saying this will happen, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Sabres are pushed to a point where the have to trade the centerman because of Winter.


This on hodgson from SabreNoise

http://sabrenoise.com/2013/08/13/has-co ... vancouver/

Then there's this:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/GARTH/Ho ... g1iSpKOTVU

Methinks whatever happens won't be a great outcome for Buffalo
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:36 pm

BingoTough wrote:This on hodgson from SabreNoise

http://sabrenoise.com/2013/08/13/has-co ... vancouver/


ROFLMFAO they have "learned to hate" CoHo in Buffalo. :mrgreen:
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby dbr » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:37 am

Hockey Widow wrote:The Leafs acted like an old school team this off season. They threw a ton of money around for FA and in trades but did not take care of their own FA first.


Does Clarkie still have any pull in Philadelphia?

They could still use another right shooting defender and if you account for Chris Pronger's LTIR exemption and cut their roster down to size they have $4m plus for an offer sheet.. $3,364,391 would cost you a 2nd round pick OR eat up about 70% of the Leafs remaining cap space with Kadri still unsigned.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:51 am

BingoTough wrote:Then there's this:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/GARTH/Ho ... g1iSpKOTVU

Methinks whatever happens won't be a great outcome for Buffalo


What a stupid comparison... Landeskog >> Hodgson.

Landeskog is +16 on one of the worst defensive teams in the league and Mr. Hodgson is -2. Landeskog won the Calder Trophy. He hits and fights. No comparison at all...
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:11 pm

dbr wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:The Leafs acted like an old school team this off season. They threw a ton of money around for FA and in trades but did not take care of their own FA first.


Does Clarkie still have any pull in Philadelphia?

They could still use another right shooting defender and if you account for Chris Pronger's LTIR exemption and cut their roster down to size they have $4m plus for an offer sheet.. $3,364,391 would cost you a 2nd round pick OR eat up about 70% of the Leafs remaining cap space with Kadri still unsigned.


Yeah that sounds like Clarkie. :thumbs:

As I've pointed out, the Leaves are already hurting in the Depth Department.

And yup, right now they're sitting ducks to an offer-sheet.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Flyboys have already talked to Franson about this plan:

After the second game of the season (when Pronger can be placed on the LTIR) they sign Franson.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby dbr » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:21 pm

I just like the idea of Nonis failing to keep his house clean, having Clarkie steal away an asset and having to buy it back at twice the cost for the second time in his four seasons as a GM..
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:33 pm

Yeah I've heard Nonuts still has a reoccurring nightmare about Clarkie coming after him in full vampire-mode.

An offer-sheet to Franson might just land him in the psyche ward. :mex:

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Meds » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:41 pm

If Tanev elects to go overseas, or continues to hold out, do we have room for Gillis to wash his hands of Tanev and his agent and put an offer sheet in front of Franson?
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:44 pm

Meds wrote:If Tanev elects to go overseas, or continues to hold out, do we have room for Gillis to wash his hands of Tanev and his agent and put an offer sheet in front of Franson?


I believe we do.

I ran a Tanev-for-Franson trade through capgeek a while back.

I think I posted it here....

EDIT (Franson @ $3m): viewtopic.php?p=179709#p179709

VERY tight to the cap though, get's me thinking how fantastic it would be if Jensen/Gaunce were ready

... we could then unload Booth (retain some salary).

Unlikely, I know...
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Topper » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:42 pm

For the Pronger LTIR cap relief to work, they'd have to somehow get him on the opening day roster. Not sure if that is doable for the Flyers.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Vader » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:18 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:War of Words going on in Ottawa.

The League says they won't investigate this, but if I'm the New Jersey Devils I'm asking "Why not!?"

Alfredsson admits he and the Senators planned to circumvent the salary cap and that he planned to retire before this past season (where he made only $1M) so that the team could lower his cap hit in the earlier seasons of the deal.

"When I did my last contract for four years ending in the (2012-13) season, I was asked to help the team manage the salary cap by adding on a extra year to my contract," he said in an opening statement. "I agreed. Each side fully expected I would retire and not play the 2012-13 season."


So the league punishes New Jersey because they believed Kovy wouldn't finish his deal, Alfredsson admits he was negotiating along the same lines and they just say

"I would say that if negotiations went down precisely as Daniel described (them), that would be a concern," Daly stated in an email to The Citizen. "We haven't independently verified that, and at this point we don't intend to."


LOL to this league.

As a side note, I don't blame Alfy one bit for leaving. Playing last year on a $1M salary is a big bonus to the Sens, and they wait until the last minute to offer him $4.5M? Yeah, see ya later.


I guess the NHL reacted the way they did because it was a 35+ contract - Sens would have been hit with a cap hit regardless if Alfredson played or not. That's the difference between Kovalchuck's deal.

IMO, Alfredsson is looking kind of foolish for starting a pissing contest with the Sens. He basically wanted the Sens to compensate him for having his deal front loaded...too bad. That's the risk in signing those front loaded deals. It's a two way street.

Also,for Alfredsson to come out and suggest you had no intention to play out the deal - what is he trying to accomplish? Having the Sens be penalized by the league for circumvention?
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:30 pm

Vader wrote:I guess the NHL reacted the way they did because it was a 35+ contract - Sens would have been hit with a cap hit regardless if Alfredson played or not. That's the difference between Kovalchuck's deal.

IMO, Alfredsson is looking kind of foolish for starting a pissing contest with the Sens. He basically wanted the Sens to compensate him for having his deal front loaded...too bad. That's the risk in signing those front loaded deals. It's a two way street.

Also,for Alfredsson to come out and suggest you had no intention to play out the deal - what is he trying to accomplish? Having the Sens be penalized by the league for circumvention?



I think he was trying to explain his frustration with the Sens. When he signed that deal he had every intention of retiring at the end of the contract. The Sens asked him to add a throw away year at one million to lower the cap. He had what he thought was a gentleman's agreement that if he decided to not retire and then do another contract the Sens would make sure that the new deal made up for playing that last year at 1 million.

He and his agent tried to negotiate an extension right after the lock out and the Sens kept saying the offer was a no go, come back with a new one and they never once, according to Alfredson, made a counter offer. They told the Sens they were seriously thinking on the Detroit offer and still Murray said he wanted too much. The issue of the throw away year was apparently dismissed by the Sens and they had no intention of adding a little to his new contract to compensate for that. So Alfredson feels thrown under the bus and taken for granted by the Sens, who I believe, as did most people, Alffie would never leave.

I'm not sure why Alffie wants to air this publicly though. Basically admitting that he, his agent and the Sens conspired to circumvent the cap. What I don't get is why the league says it won't investigate.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Topper » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:44 pm

Because he played the year. No harm, no foul.

Can league demand all corespondence between the Sens, Alfie and his agent? Good luck with that.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:19 pm

Topper wrote:For the Pronger LTIR cap relief to work, they'd have to somehow get him on the opening day roster. Not sure if that is doable for the Flyers.


They can't put Pronger on the LTIR until after the 2nd game of the season.

That's why I suggested they tell Franson to hold out until then.

I'd love to see a team offer-sheet Kadri/Franson.

Probably won't happen, but I'll be one dancing banana if it does. :mrgreen:
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