Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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UWSaint wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:04 am
Curmudgeon wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:07 pm Taylor Hall's on his 4th team. Do winning teams not want him?
Well, every player that goes #1 overall is going to a losing team absent a trade or very unlikely lottery results.

New Jersey traded for Hall when they thought they had an elite goaltender and were among the best at suppressing goals. Not unreasonable to think that they thought of themselves as a soon-to-be-winning team.

Arizona was on the upswing based on the prior year's performance compared to what they had been doing. They had some young talent and they were in first place in the division when they acquired Hall.

And Buffalo? Well, I am not sure any "winning" teams are really in the market for top forwards. Cap is tight and 3 of the top 4 forward UFA's (in my view) remain unsigned -- Hoffman, Toffoli, and Dadanov. It might have nothing to do with Hall. Hall wanted to maximize the paycheck, likely. He might have had his tires kicked by winning teams, but once it was clear that he wasn't going to get a big paycheck with a long term deal in this environment, he chose what was likely the highest offer. $ 8 million is a lot of money for a player with Hall's track record.

Of course, Hall doesn't have a track record of bringing those teams to the next level for any sustained period. And a lot of that is that Hall has had trouble staying healthy and the other part is that Hall's not gifted at using his teammates. Players with his skill set and history can absolutely make a team better, but not a LOT better and it isn't $8 million better.
Buffalo was 21st in GF/GP last year and 22nd in GA/GP. Taylor Hall has classically been a 25 goal guy on shitty teams with inconsistent supporting casts. He's never been that franchise game changer that Edmonton thought they were getting. He's a top-6 scoring winger with underrated playmaking ability. When he's on his game and if you gave him decent linemates he probably is a 30 goal scorer who adds 50 assists.

Buffalo's 2.80 GF/GP last year becomes 3.04 with Hall's 2019-20 scoring pace. If he scores closer to 30 goals per year that goes up more and probably takes them from being well outside the playoff picture to hunting for a wildcard spot with a few more ticks in the "W" column. And when a team can start winning games that they were losing, it usually builds some confidence and leads to a few more wins.

Buffalo will still be a tire fire defensively.

Isn't it ironic though that the two teams that were both in the hunt for McDavid have followed similar trajectories by trying to build a flying attacks but missed out badly on the blueline and in the crease over that time.
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Micky wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:15 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:05 am Toffoli to Montreal at 4.25 x4.

You can wake up from your booze haze at any time now Jim. :lol:

We probably don’t even have the money to bring back Fantenberg :lol:

Clearly the Aquilinis have taken the cheque book away. Where was this restraint in previous years when all the damage was done. I like Elmer’s savvy drafting the kids but we need someone running the purse strings here and have for a while.
Holy shit! Madden and a 2nd round pick turns out to be a steep price to pay for just 17 games and a peeky-boo in the POs. Might have been different without the Covid mess.
Unless the cap starts going up, the Canucks aren’t adding many players with large contracts for many years. As the bad deals come off the books all of their salaries will be taken by resigning RFAs, Petey, Hughes, Demko next year, Boeser the year after. Green better get used to incorporating ELC prospects into the line-up for the next decade. No way Benning is adding three defensemen this coming season. Maybe one top four and one depth guy, like Fantenberg. Some of these prospects will play, I wouldn’t rule our Rathbone or Woo even if they could use some AHL time. More likely Juolevi, Rafferty, Chatfield because they’ve been cooking in the AHL for a while. It just depends on how they play in camp. Rafferty should not be disqualified because he is balding, one-eyed, or yellow-toothed. Dental condition never stopper Tanev, one-eyedness never stopped Ohlund, baldness never stopped Sundin, and they were all good Canucks. Let’s judge the guy on his play once he gets a chance at the NHL level in camp.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:05 am Clearly the Aquilinis have taken the cheque book away.
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Micky wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:15 am I would never have given [Toffoli] Boeser money but 4 years at four and a quarter would have been fine.
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Cherry Picker wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:34 am
Micky wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:15 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:05 am Toffoli to Montreal at 4.25 x4.

You can wake up from your booze haze at any time now Jim. :lol:

We probably don’t even have the money to bring back Fantenberg :lol:

Clearly the Aquilinis have taken the cheque book away. Where was this restraint in previous years when all the damage was done. I like Elmer’s savvy drafting the kids but we need someone running the purse strings here and have for a while.
Holy shit! Madden and a 2nd round pick turns out to be a steep price to pay for just 17 games and a peeky-boo in the POs. Might have been different without the Covid mess.
Unless the cap starts going up, the Canucks aren’t adding many players with large contracts for many years. As the bad deals come off the books all of their salaries will be taken by resigning RFAs, Petey, Hughes, Demko next year, Boeser the year after. Green better get used to incorporating ELC prospects into the line-up for the next decade. No way Benning is adding three defensemen this coming season. Maybe one top four and one depth guy, like Fantenberg. Some of these prospects will play, I wouldn’t rule our Rathbone or Woo even if they could use some AHL time. More likely Juolevi, Rafferty, Chatfield because they’ve been cooking in the AHL for a while. It just depends on how they play in camp. Rafferty should not be disqualified because he is balding, one-eyed, or yellow-toothed. Dental condition never stopper Tanev, one-eyedness never stopped Ohlund, baldness never stopped Sundin, and they were all good Canucks. Let’s judge the guy on his play once he gets a chance at the NHL level in camp.
Juolevi will be on the team this year and he's be fine as long as his confidence level stays good. After that, I think our best is Rathbone. Never know, with a good camp and guys like Quinn around, maybe.
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Cherry Picker wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:34 am ...Maybe one top four and one depth guy, like Fantenberg. Some of these prospects will play...
While D was a weakness last year, I think we'll end up with the same or less level of talent. This will be a weird year, and I'm ok with a sideways step, while the kids develop and the shitty contracts age a year.

There may will be some really frustrating horrible games, but it will still be a good time to be a Canucks fan. :)
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Rathbone is already 21, so it is not like some 18 year old coming right out of his draft year. It is not unheard of for good college players to join NHL teams right away.
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Cherry Picker wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:13 pm Rathbone is already 21, so it is not like some 18 year old coming right out of his draft year. It is not unheard of for good college players to join NHL teams right away.
Ratbones is a legit prospect, so is Woo but they are nowhere near ready. The other guys mentioned earlier are mostly fodder. Olaf is 171 pounds and plays with little to no passion, Rafferty is 29, has yellow teeth, one eye and hardly any hair. Brisebois and Chatfield get their heads kicked in in the AHL.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:17 pm
Cherry Picker wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:13 pm Rathbone is already 21, so it is not like some 18 year old coming right out of his draft year. It is not unheard of for good college players to join NHL teams right away.
Ratbones is a legit prospect, so is Woo but they are nowhere near ready. The other guys mentioned earlier are mostly fodder. Olaf is 171 pounds and plays with little to no passion, Rafferty is 29, has yellow teeth, one eye and hardly any hair. Brisebois and Chatfield get their heads kicked in in the AHL.
There is no way for anyone to know whether or not Rathbone/OJ/Rafferty is ready, that's what training camp is for...
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:05 am Toffoli to Montreal at 4.25 x4.

You can wake up from your booze haze at any time now Jim. :lol:

We probably don’t even have the money to bring back Fantenberg :lol:

Clearly the Aquilinis have taken the cheque book away. Where was this restraint in previous years when all the damage was done. I like Elmer’s savvy drafting the kids but we need someone running the purse strings here and have for a while.
Aquilini's probably prepping for the pending blueberry tariffs from the States. lol
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Curmudgeon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:28 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:05 am Toffoli to Montreal at 4.25 x4.

You can wake up from your booze haze at any time now Jim. :lol:

We probably don’t even have the money to bring back Fantenberg :lol:

Clearly the Aquilinis have taken the cheque book away. Where was this restraint in previous years when all the damage was done. I like Elmer’s savvy drafting the kids but we need someone running the purse strings here and have for a while.
Aquilini's probably prepping for the pending blueberry tariffs from the States. lol
If he could just figure out how to import US prison/slave labour...
Try to focus on THIS year... again
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They could use a Prison Bull on the blueline
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Carl Yagro wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:33 pm
Curmudgeon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:28 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:05 am Toffoli to Montreal at 4.25 x4.

You can wake up from your booze haze at any time now Jim. :lol:

We probably don’t even have the money to bring back Fantenberg :lol:

Clearly the Aquilinis have taken the cheque book away. Where was this restraint in previous years when all the damage was done. I like Elmer’s savvy drafting the kids but we need someone running the purse strings here and have for a while.
Aquilini's probably prepping for the pending blueberry tariffs from the States. lol
If he could just figure out how to import US prison/slave labour...
Give COVID another year and those just might be "middle class" jobs.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:34 pm They could use a Prison Bull on the blueline
Maybe they can sign and reprogram Tryamkin, give him some angry pills or something, and get him to skate around in this for pre-games.

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