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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Madcombinepilot » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:51 am

I wouldn't have minded Carcillo In The lineup....
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby tantalum » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:08 am

Carcillo single handedly costs teams more games with his play than truly helps it. Pretty glad he's gone to a divisional opponent.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:37 am

Should the Canucks offer Brule a tryout? It should be a no brainer (low risk, high reward)

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/resur ... story.html

It seems like the Kings are shopping Clifford. MG was pretty high on Clifford before trading for Kassian. Does MG have enough to offer the Kings?

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Reiterating what @DennisTFP reported last night... The Kings are actively shopping Kyle Clifford, but nothing imminent as of this morning.

Dennis Bernstein‏@DennisTFP
@pgreissing @TheFourthPeriod Kings in jam because of 64.3M cap, can't take back much salary in any potential Clifford deal.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Vader » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:19 am

Jovocop wrote:Should the Canucks offer Brule a tryout? It should be a no brainer (low risk, high reward)

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/resur ... story.html

It seems like the Kings are shopping Clifford. MG was pretty high on Clifford before trading for Kassian. Does MG have enough to offer the Kings?

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Reiterating what @DennisTFP reported last night... The Kings are actively shopping Kyle Clifford, but nothing imminent as of this morning.

Dennis Bernstein‏@DennisTFP
@pgreissing @TheFourthPeriod Kings in jam because of 64.3M cap, can't take back much salary in any potential Clifford deal.


yeah - Brule on a PTO only...otherwise take a pass

Clifford was apparently one of the "six" that they were shopping Hodgson for. That being said, if LA can't fit him in cap wise, then I'm not sure how much better Gillis would fare....
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby $lacker » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:22 am

Vader wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Should the Canucks offer Brule a tryout? It should be a no brainer (low risk, high reward)

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/resur ... story.html

It seems like the Kings are shopping Clifford. MG was pretty high on Clifford before trading for Kassian. Does MG have enough to offer the Kings?

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Reiterating what @DennisTFP reported last night... The Kings are actively shopping Kyle Clifford, but nothing imminent as of this morning.

Dennis Bernstein‏@DennisTFP
@pgreissing @TheFourthPeriod Kings in jam because of 64.3M cap, can't take back much salary in any potential Clifford deal.



yeah - Brule on a PTO only...otherwise take a pass

Clifford was apparently one of the "six" that they were shopping Hodgson for. That being said, if LA can't fit him in cap wise, then I'm not sure how much better Gillis would fare....



Canucks would definitely need to drop some salary. Clifford would be an excellent addition, exactly the type of player we need.

Assets: Is a physical force who is also willing to drop the gloves. Can play a regular shift because he's responsible. Owns a little scoring upside thanks to his grit and constant net presence. Good on the forecheck, he's relentless.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:31 am

Vader wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Should the Canucks offer Brule a tryout? It should be a no brainer (low risk, high reward)

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/resur ... story.html

It seems like the Kings are shopping Clifford. MG was pretty high on Clifford before trading for Kassian. Does MG have enough to offer the Kings?

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Reiterating what @DennisTFP reported last night... The Kings are actively shopping Kyle Clifford, but nothing imminent as of this morning.

Dennis Bernstein‏@DennisTFP
@pgreissing @TheFourthPeriod Kings in jam because of 64.3M cap, can't take back much salary in any potential Clifford deal.


yeah - Brule on a PTO only...otherwise take a pass

Clifford was apparently one of the "six" that they were shopping Hodgson for. That being said, if LA can't fit him in cap wise, then I'm not sure how much better Gillis would fare....


Hansen + a pick for Clifford? A soon-to-be UFA for a RFA who requires a raise. I hate to lose Hansen but Clifford would definitely upgrade the Canucks' toughness.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby $lacker » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:37 am

Jovocop wrote:
Hansen + a pick for Clifford? A soon-to-be UFA for a RFA who requires a raise. I hate to lose Hansen but Clifford would definitely upgrade the Canucks' toughness.


My guess would be something more like Jensen and a 2nd or 3rd... but of course, just a guess :)
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:39 am

$lacker wrote:
Jovocop wrote:
Hansen + a pick for Clifford? A soon-to-be UFA for a RFA who requires a raise. I hate to lose Hansen but Clifford would definitely upgrade the Canucks' toughness.


My guess would be something more like Jensen and a 2nd or 3rd... but of course, just a guess :)


I would rather trade Weise + a 1st rounder... :lol:
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby herb » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:43 am

Jovocop wrote:Hansen + a pick for Clifford? A soon-to-be UFA for a RFA who requires a raise.


LOL no way Jovo.

Who would replace the 15-20 goals and 18 minutes per game Hansen will provide on the third line? It probably won’t be Kyle Clifford, who is most likely still a 10 minute per game fourth line guy.

I would like to get my hands on a guy like Clifford, but he would be a replacement and significant upgrade of Dale Weise or maybe pushes Weise down to the 13th forward position. No way does a key player like Hansen go the other way with no plans for replacement.

So Clifford’s last cap hit was $870K. He is an RFA and hasn’t exactly lit it up. He’s in the same boat as Tanev. A useful player with some upside, but ultimately his leverage is pretty poor.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:43 am

dbr wrote:Hey doc... 2.2, 3.1, 3.5, 3.7, 4... Image


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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:52 am

Jovocop wrote:Hansen + a pick for Clifford? A soon-to-be UFA for a RFA who requires a raise. I hate to lose Hansen but Clifford would definitely upgrade the Canucks' toughness.


Yeah no, we'll be re-signing Hansen thank you very much.

I don't think the kings want a contract coming back.

Cap crunch.

Probably after picks or prospect + pick.

I've heard Cliffy is looking for $1.8mil per.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:57 am

herb wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Hansen + a pick for Clifford? A soon-to-be UFA for a RFA who requires a raise.


LOL no way Jovo.

Who would replace the 15-20 goals and 18 minutes per game Hansen will provide on the third line? It probably won’t be Kyle Clifford, who is most likely still a 10 minute per game fourth line guy.

I would like to get my hands on a guy like Clifford, but he would be a replacement and significant upgrade of Dale Weise or maybe pushes Weise down to the 13th forward position. No way does a key player like Hansen go the other way with no plans for replacement.

So Clifford’s last cap hit was $870K. He is an RFA and hasn’t exactly lit it up. He’s in the same boat as Tanev. A useful player with some upside, but ultimately his leverage is pretty poor.


As I said, I would hate to lose Hansen. He is an elite third liner and could very well be a second liner for some teams. I seriously hope that MG could sign Hansen to a reasonable extension, something similar to Higgins' contract. Players like Kassian and Clifford can instantly make the team a lot tougher if Torts allows them to play their games. Would Weise + a prospect and pick for Clifford be enough?
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby tantalum » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:58 am

looking for $1.8 likely means settling for $1.6. I'd do it and figure out how to fit him in. Not sure the assets needed to acquire him though (if cap dump type reasons likely a pretty good prospect or pick). Such an acquisition would give the canucks two 22 year old power forward wingers. That's a good thing.

Hansen is the type of guy you keep and certainly this year. Effective player who is clearly underpaid.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:01 am

tantalum wrote:looking for $1.8 likely means settling for $1.6. I'd do it and figure out how to fit him in. Not sure the assets needed to acquire him though (if cap dump type reasons likely a pretty good prospect or pick).

hansen is the type of guy you keep and certainly this year. Effective player who is clearly underpaid.


Tant, underpaid is the key. Hansen is probably looking for a huge pay day next season. Would the Canucks be able to re-sign him?
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby tantalum » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:04 am

Jovocop wrote:Tant, underpaid is the key. Hansen is probably looking for a huge pay day next season. Would the Canucks be able to re-sign him?


Yes. Cap is going to increase a fair margin next year on revenues alone and tack on the 5% escalator the PA still has it won't be an issue. And if he is due a huge raise then his rights are going to have very good trade value.
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