Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Doyle Hargraves wrote:
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Doyle Hargraves wrote:
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I also like the system where the team finishing last gets demoted and replaced with a team from the second tier.
That way you eliminate the possibility of tanking on purpose. Being demoted is hell. Takes away most of the teams revenue, so nobody wants to end up last, and the teams at the bottom of the standings are fighting for their lives.
Keep that shit in Europe.
Guess you love to watch teams tank on purpose. :drink:
Got nothing to do with that. It just isn’t feasible here. There’s no 2nd division, the AHL is a feeder league. The logistics of setting up something like English Premier League here would be staggering. It will never happen..
There are no logistics - the AHL is already a second tier league, it would take a Cinderella miracle on ice for an AHL team to beat the worst NHL team in a relegation tournament.

The relegation tournament's purpose isn't to have a realistic shot for the Calder Cup winner to advance to the NHL, it's to discourage teams from tanking.

Maybe, in five years, KC and Quebec get ahl teams with rich owners who invest in trying to earn promotion, but that's the kind of long-term thinking that the NHL, as a rule, doesn't do.

The real issue is the greed barrier - owners won't open up their clubs to new owners who buy their way in by paying players and creating a competitive team, rather than paying the governors hundreds of millions of dollars.

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The AHL is a farm league for the NHL. It isn’t a seperate 2nd tier league
So if Tampa’s AHL squad wins that league, they move up with all Tampa’s prospects and they play in the NHL the following year. Makes perfect sense. Sounds like some logistics would be involved. :lol:


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Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:06 am
The AHL is a farm league for the NHL. It isn’t a seperate 2nd tier league
So if Tampa’s AHL squad wins that league, they move up with all Tampa’s prospects and they play in the NHL the following year. Makes perfect sense. Sounds like some logistics would be involved. :lol:


It will never happen and thank Christ for that
Yeah. Could you imagine the meltdowns over at HF when we lost all our prospects due to that.....they would almost certainly blame Benning for not drafting players who were NHL ready immediately so they would already be on the Canucks.

It’s becoming more and more clear that Per has difficulty coping with ways of life that are different than his own little pseudo-socialistic Euro-bubble. He wants everywhere to be just like Europe.

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Meds wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:53 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:06 am
The AHL is a farm league for the NHL. It isn’t a seperate 2nd tier league
So if Tampa’s AHL squad wins that league, they move up with all Tampa’s prospects and they play in the NHL the following year. Makes perfect sense. Sounds like some logistics would be involved. :lol:


It will never happen and thank Christ for that
Yeah. Could you imagine the meltdowns over at HF when we lost all our prospects due to that.....they would almost certainly blame Benning for not drafting players who were NHL ready immediately so they would already be on the Canucks.

It’s becoming more and more clear that Per has difficulty coping with ways of life that are different than his own little pseudo-socialistic Euro-bubble. He wants everywhere to be just like Europe.
Is HF still on the tank train?

I don't think the North American fanbase or advertisers would support a divisional format with relegation. Different mentality over here, you're either going for the big prize or you're a minor league with smaller gates and limited tv and advertisers. It would almost be like running the CFL with players on NFL contracts.

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Funny article on the Oilers possibly winning another 1OA.

I'm curious what the bigger nightmare is, Oilers winning the lotto or the Blackhawks?

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Funny article on the Oilers possibly winning another 1OA.

I'm curious what the bigger nightmare is, Oilers winning the lotto or the Blackhawks?
If the Coilers win, the best thing that can happen is an entire revamping of the current lottery system. Even though them getting Lafreniere would make that team sick.
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IMO the four best players since I’ve been alive have been Gretzky, McDavid, Lemieux and Crosby. If Pittsburg or Edmonton ever get another player of that quality, it better be after I’m dead and buried.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:40 am
Per wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:51 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:16 pm
Per wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:40 pm
I also like the system where the team finishing last gets demoted and replaced with a team from the second tier.
That way you eliminate the possibility of tanking on purpose. Being demoted is hell. Takes away most of the teams revenue, so nobody wants to end up last, and the teams at the bottom of the standings are fighting for their lives.
Keep that shit in Europe.
Guess you love to watch teams tank on purpose. :drink:
Got nothing to do with that. It just isn’t feasible here. There’s no 2nd division, the AHL is a feeder league. The logistics of setting up something like English Premier League here would be staggering. It will never happen..
Move it to the Skyo thread?

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Curmudgeon wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:30 am
Meds wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:53 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:06 am
The AHL is a farm league for the NHL. It isn’t a seperate 2nd tier league
So if Tampa’s AHL squad wins that league, they move up with all Tampa’s prospects and they play in the NHL the following year. Makes perfect sense. Sounds like some logistics would be involved. :lol:


It will never happen and thank Christ for that
Yeah. Could you imagine the meltdowns over at HF when we lost all our prospects due to that.....they would almost certainly blame Benning for not drafting players who were NHL ready immediately so they would already be on the Canucks.

It’s becoming more and more clear that Per has difficulty coping with ways of life that are different than his own little pseudo-socialistic Euro-bubble. He wants everywhere to be just like Europe.
Is HF still on the tank train?
The mods were trying to put out tank fires all over the place when I left back in February but that negative fan culture seems to have very deep roots over there. They tend to disappear after days like today and then reemerge after losses. Look for them to be scarce now but to come on strong if/when we eventually fall out of the playoffs.

It's funny you know Curmudgeon, I don't recall noticing you posting at HF, but I clearly remember you over at CDC a few years ago.

I was posting at CDC as Salmonberries for a number of years before my luck ran out ;)

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Megaterio Llamas wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:50 pm

The mods were trying to put out tank fires all over the place when I left back in February but that negative fan culture seems to have very deep roots over there. They tend to disappear after days like today and then reemerge after losses. Look for them to be scarce now but to come on strong if/when we eventually fall out of the playoffs.

It's funny you know Curmudgeon, I don't recall noticing you posting at HF, but I clearly remember you over at CDC a few years ago.

I was posting at CDC as Salmonberries for a number of years before my luck ran out ;)

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Not sure how long I was on HF, I joined shortly after I retired at the end of July 2018 and lasted one season pretty much. I don't remember much about the posters other than one guy being convinced I was Brian Burke and another who'd been around there a long time saying it would be worth losing Pettersson if it meant getting rid of Benning. I ridiculed and mocked the one guy and between some of my posts mocking the guy being deleted without explanation and the absurdly negative tone of the board, I asked them to remove my profile. Not sure if any of my posts are even still there.

I don't know what CDC is, at least off the top of my head, so I'd have to say that wasn't me and just a coincidence perhaps. From 99/2000 up until I retired, I had virtually no time for anything between work and business travel and a whole bunch of caregiving evenings and on weekends.

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Curmudgeon wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:07 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:50 pm

The mods were trying to put out tank fires all over the place when I left back in February but that negative fan culture seems to have very deep roots over there. They tend to disappear after days like today and then reemerge after losses. Look for them to be scarce now but to come on strong if/when we eventually fall out of the playoffs.

It's funny you know Curmudgeon, I don't recall noticing you posting at HF, but I clearly remember you over at CDC a few years ago.

I was posting at CDC as Salmonberries for a number of years before my luck ran out ;)

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Not sure how long I was on HF, I joined shortly after I retired at the end of July 2018 and lasted one season pretty much. I don't remember much about the posters other than one guy being convinced I was Brian Burke and another who'd been around there a long time saying it would be worth losing Pettersson if it meant getting rid of Benning. I ridiculed and mocked the one guy and between some of my posts mocking the guy being deleted without explanation and the absurdly negative tone of the board, I asked them to remove my profile. Not sure if any of my posts are even still there.

I don't know what CDC is, at least off the top of my head, so I'd have to say that wasn't me and just a coincidence perhaps. From 99/2000 up until I retired, I had virtually no time for anything between work and business travel and a whole bunch of caregiving evenings and on weekends.
Yeah, after a while I guess I got assimilated by the HF board and started to lose touch with reality. From this distance though I can really see how twisted it gets over there. I'm glad I got out though, the negativity was starting to drive me nuts.

CDC is the nickname for the Canucks forum on NHL.com. I posted there for much longer than I ever did at HF and thought I remembered a Curmudgeon from there but I guess it was HF after all. After a while the years bleed together :)
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Panthers are about to boot Dale Tallon, or so the rumors say.

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/12 ... 8458105857
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Micky wrote:
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Panthers are about to boot Dale Tallon, or so the rumors say.

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/12 ... 8458105857
Yeesh, he was there 10 years? And made the playoffs 3 times, never getting out of the first round?

How did he last as long as he did??

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Meds wrote:
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It’s becoming more and more clear that Per has difficulty coping with ways of life that are different than his own little pseudo-socialistic Euro-bubble. He wants everywhere to be just like Europe.
Lol! If you think about it, the NHL is far more socialist than the European leagues (not counting the KHL, which works more like the NHL).

In the NHL mediocrity is rewarded. The worst teams get to pick players first.

In Europe a team that is not up to snuff gets demoted and replaced with another team.
Players are bought and sold in a free market system, any player not under contract is a free agent.
There is no draft. Like in any free market, the players can choose which team they feel offer them the best deal, and the teams can make a bid for any player they wish, as long as they are not under contract.

So, the European leagues embrace unbridled capitalism and a dog eat dog mentality, whereas the NHL is more like the old Soviet Union. Teams have a safety net and face no consequences for tanking, and players have no choice but to play where they are told to instead of negotiating on a free market.

Who’s the socialist? :lol:
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Per wrote:
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In Europe a team that is not up to snuff gets demoted and replaced with another team.
Sounds like authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power.

That aside, :lol: How much does a SHL franchise cost? Nothing? No buy in? Where's the fun in that?

Just joking Per...It's apples and oranges. No comparison.
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