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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:48 pm
by ORCA
Meds wrote:
SKYO wrote: Just had a look over at capgeek.....laughed at Toronto when I looked at their roster and cap space for this coming season. Barring a miracle, they are going to be a 2 line, 3 defenseman team, with unproven goaltending. I hope Leaf fans haven't forgotten too quickly what it means to be outside of the playoffs....
Careful there, Meds...(its fun to laugh at the Leaves, I agree, but...)

We have 1 line that is a dependable source of production.
Others are riddled with injury prone players and inconsistency, with holes likely to be filled with unproven young talent (hopefully the talent part sticks)

We have out of Garrison, Hamuis, Bieksa, and Edler, 2 (maybe 2.5) of them played like they belong in top 4 positions last season.

We have a dismal powerplay.

We have not improved our faceoff ability that much (if at all) so far, which could be trouble for our PK.

We have good goaltending, but a huge ? when Luongo needs a rest, or worse - is injured.

Our cap situation is not much better.

It is a long summer. Toronto may yet surprise. We may yet disappoint.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:26 pm
by Arachnid
ORCA wrote:
Meds wrote:
SKYO wrote: Just had a look over at capgeek.....laughed at Toronto when I looked at their roster and cap space for this coming season. Barring a miracle, they are going to be a 2 line, 3 defenseman team, with unproven goaltending. I hope Leaf fans haven't forgotten too quickly what it means to be outside of the playoffs....
Careful there, Meds...(its fun to laugh at the Leaves, I agree, but...)

We have 1 line that is a dependable source of production.
Others are riddled with injury prone players and inconsistency, with holes likely to be filled with unproven young talent (hopefully the talent part sticks)

We have out of Garrison, Hamuis, Bieksa, and Edler, 2 (maybe 2.5) of them played like they belong in top 4 positions last season.

We have a dismal powerplay.

We have not improved our faceoff ability that much (if at all) so far, which could be trouble for our PK.

We have good goaltending, but a huge ? when Luongo needs a rest, or worse - is injured.

Our cap situation is not much better.

It is a long summer. Toronto may yet surprise. We may yet disappoint.
OMG! :shock:

Gorcaca is a Laugh fan

*shrieks and points at him like Invasion of the Body Takers*

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:14 pm
by Strangelove
Zedlee wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Mondi wrote: It's a terrible contract. Pretty much indisputably.
Only because they changed the rules mid-game.
Changing the rules on a contract that was accepted by the league was total BS.

But is was still a bad contract anyway and I thought so the day it was signed. Insanity. I doubt there would have been any takers for Luongo even if the rules on hadn't changed.
Well that would have put you in the minority.

If Lou was willing to waive his NTC at the time, the Canucks would have got the world for him in a trade.

Most folks (Canuck fans AND anti-Canuckers) considered it a form of "cap-circumvention").

Which is a GOOD thing for a rich team trying to spend extra money in order to ice a better team.

It's said the NHL punished this form of "cap-circumvention" with the so-called "Luongo Rule" recapture penalty.

Luongo was considered one of the best, if not THE best, goalies in the world when he signed that deal.

Most hockey pundits figured his cap-hit would rise from $6.75mil to around $8mil.

Most hockey pundits figured it would take at least $40mil to have Lou sign away the rest of his career

($8mil times 5 years = $40mil).

Canucks brass instead found a way to lower his cap-hit to $5.3mil by tossing in an extra $24mil.

It was always assumed this 12-year $64mil contract would go *poof*

.... just as soon as Luongo's play deteriorated to a large enough degree (5 years or so?).

"Gentlemen's Agreement"

Here's an article speculating on Luongo's new contract a coupla months before the fact:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282927

June 26, 2009

Despite being one year away from unrestricted free agency, reports are saying that goalie Roberto Luongo is discussing a contract extension with the Vancouver Canucks.

CKNW Radio in Vancouver is speculating that Luongo and his agent, Gilles Lupien, are asking for a long-term deal that would be at least five years in length, and worth a minimum of $8 million per season.

Luongo is scheduled to earn $7.5 million next season, with the Canucks taking a cap hit of $6.75 million in the final year of his current deal.

The report says that Luongo wishes to be among the highest paid goalies in the league, but he also does not want to handicap Vancouver's payroll and might be willing to take less money to make the team more competitive.

"The way Roberto wants to go, he doesn't want to hit the jackpot, he wants to have a good team," Lupien told CKNW. "And by doing that, you have to work with the team. We're looking for a bit more money, but nothing that would strangle the team. I think we're going forward to have a deal done in the future."
So yeah, it was a good deal at the time it was signed.

Genius, in fact.

Lou's meltdown a year later

... along with the Luongo Rule two years later

... along with Luongo's personal reasons for preferring to play in a couple of limited locations

... all combined to make it a not-so-good contract.

Personally I'm now convinced your Vancouver Canucks will buyout Luongo one year from now.

Luongo buyout 2014: $22,570,672

Luongo buyout 2013: $27,046,674

No need to buyout Lou when he is likely to put up Top Ten goalie numbers next season.

2014 will be the last chance to use the other Compliance Buyout.

$6.714mil salary in 2013-14 plus $22,570,672 buyout in 2014 equals $29,284,672

... for one more year of Top Ten Lou...

VERSUS

$27,046,674... and Lou is gone right now.

The cap-hit is reasonable and it gives them one more year to see what they have in Lack/Eriksson/Cannata

(a fantastic group of young goalies by all accounts).

One more chance for Lou to win a Cup before he is bought out and signs cheap with the Panthers (semi-retirement). ;)

Lou ends up with ~$52.5mil and Canucks end up with 4 years of a near-top-of-his-game Luongo.

About $20mil more than the pundits thought he'd get... but the price Aquilini's paid to keep the cap-hit at $5.3mil.

Yep, I'm convinced. 8-)

It's all good....

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:16 pm
by Strangelove
Arachnid wrote: OMG! :shock:

Gorcaca is a Laugh fan

*shrieks and points at him like Invasion of the Body Takers*
Image

(look at the name of the link) :lol:

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:17 pm
by tantalum
So back to everybody's favourite topic....Cody Hodgson. Apparently contract negotiations have gone nowhere between the Sabres and the Hodgson camp. Paul Hamilton the Sabres beat writer had a little something to say about Ritch Winter.

http://audio.wgr550.com/a/77680197/paul ... ton+winter

Find your way to about 20:15 and you'll get hamilton caling Winter one of the biggest morons to walk the earth and how he put Hasek's career in chaos and a bit more. It's a pretty loaded couple of sentences he rattles off.


Interesting that the Sabres MAY be experiencing some pain dealing with the Hodgson camp a year into his tenure as a Sabre.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:30 am
by Vader
Carl Hagelin re-signs in NY - 2yrs @ $2.25M per

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=427391

Pretty good comparison to Hansen - similar gritty two way-game, agitators, fast, good on the PK, some offence, both stink on the powerplay - every time the coach puts them out there they stink.

You'd think Hansen's next contract would be in the same area.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:39 am
by Vader
Vader wrote:Carl Hagelin re-signs in NY - 2yrs @ $2.25M per

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=427391

Pretty good comparison to Hansen - similar gritty two way-game, agitators, fast, good on the PK, some offence, both stink on the powerplay - every time the coach puts them out there they stink.

You'd think Hansen's next contract would be in the same area.
On second thought - Hansen is UFA after this contract...so no way $2.25M does it.

Thank stinks :(

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:40 am
by ORCA
Arachnid wrote: OMG! :shock:

Gorcaca is a Laugh fan

*shrieks and points at him like Invasion of the Body Takers*
Image

:mex:

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:04 pm
by SKYO
Oilers just traded for David Perron, don't know for who yet.

*For Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 second-round draft pick.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:13 pm
by Island Nucklehead
SKYO wrote:Oilers just traded for David Perron, don't know for who yet.
Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 2nd round pick.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:15 pm
by tantalum
Good value on the trade for the Oilers. Paajarvi is extremely overrated by Oiler fans IMO and the second isn't much to give up for a good scorer in perron.

Problem is that this doesn't address any real needs for the Oilers. Scoring wingers is not something they lack. You have to wonder if this is setting up a move of Yakupov to address the giant holes at center, defense or goal.

But this was clearly a cap dump by the Blues to a team that could take on that cap dump. $3.8+ mil this season and the next three for Perron. The Blues are in cap hell and even bigger internal budget hell I'm guessing.

they can likely get Pietrangelo and perhaps Stewart under contract now (if they spend to the cap). I suspect we will see one more cap dump from them and it will be Berglund.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:10 pm
by SKYO
Rask got paid!

"Tuukka Rask has signed an extension with bruins. 56 Million. 8years x 7 per."

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:20 pm
by Diehard1
tantalum wrote:Good value on the trade for the Oilers. Paajarvi is extremely overrated by Oiler fans IMO and the second isn't much to give up for a good scorer in perron.

Problem is that this doesn't address any real needs for the Oilers. Scoring wingers is not something they lack. You have to wonder if this is setting up a move of Yakupov to address the giant holes at center, defense or goal.

But this was clearly a cap dump by the Blues to a team that could take on that cap dump. $3.8+ mil this season and the next three for Perron. The Blues are in cap hell and even bigger internal budget hell I'm guessing.

they can likely get Pietrangelo and perhaps Stewart under contract now (if they spend to the cap). I suspect we will see one more cap dump from them and it will be Berglund.
Agreed - not really sure what MacT is doing unless there's another shoe to drop. They didn't need any more scoring wingers with Hemsky, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and now Perron there. Maybe they are looking to trade for Yakupov for a center? They really only have RNH and Gagner as centres so are very thin there, unless you count Boyd Gordon as more than a 3rd or 4th liner.

If Berglund were available he would be a nice pickup as a 3rd line center for Van.

Also looks like Rask just got $7 million a season. Sure is nice to play behind an ultra defensive team - as Bryzgalov found out as well.

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:52 pm
by Jovocop
SKYO wrote:Rask got paid!

"Tuukka Rask has signed an extension with bruins. 56 Million. 8years x 7 per."
Rask 26 years old - 138GP 66W 45L 16OT 16SO .927SV% 2.15GAA
Schneider 27 years old - 98GP 55W 26L 8OT 9SO .927SV% 2.20GAA

Is Rask really $3m better than Schneider?

Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:55 pm
by rats19
Jovocop wrote:
SKYO wrote:Rask got paid!

"Tuukka Rask has signed an extension with bruins. 56 Million. 8years x 7 per."
Rask 26 years old - 138GP 66W 45L 16OT 16SO .927SV% 2.15GAA
Schneider 27 years old - 98GP 55W 26L 8OT 9SO .927SV% 2.20GAA

Is Rask really $3m better than Schneider?
Cory will catch up next signing..1 year or 2 not sure, from now.