Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by dbr » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:38 am

Nikitin is a guy I looked at earlier in the year and thought that on paper, maybe this is a player you can get a bargain on in free agency. Big guy, fairly young for a free agent, reputedly has some offensive ability, doesn't have the kind of production that would lead you to think he's going to cost you a lot :lol: , etc. Maybe he's a destitute man's Alex Edler for a fraction of the price.

But the fancy stats are not kind to this player. I didn't watch a lot of BJs hockey this year but they were a decent possession team and it looks like Nikitin was basically getting soft minutes and still coming out worse than average on possession metrics in score close situations.

I guess for the Oilers you have to pay whatever it takes to get a guy in free agency, but wow. Nik Nik is going to have to make some pretty big strides to live up to this paycheque - at least when compared to the contracts on the books now. If MacT is reading the market correctly and this is just the going rate for any every day (but not particularly good) NHL defender, yikes.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by herb » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:42 am

Well, at least his name is kind of cool.

That's about the only thing this signing has going for the Oilers. I almost feel bad for their fans....nahhhhhh! :lol:

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:56 am

I hate Bolland. I don't know I will cheer for the Canucks anymore....
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by BurningBeard » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:05 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:Suddenly, Garrison at $4.6M doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. Looks like a steal by comparison.

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82GP 7G 30A 37PTS 20PIM 26:57 TOI

He is paid $7.1 million, and he has two seasons left.

There are far worst deals out there. People who complain about Garrison's contract haven't looked at many comparables.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:11 am

Gaborik re-ups in LA... .7 years @$4.9M per.

What a steal, especially when you consider Clarkson got 7@$5.25. That contract might look a bit shotty when Gaborik is 37/38, but if the cap keeps rising it's no big deal. This is a better deal than Hossa's in Chicago, and if Gaborik can stay remotely healthy (big if) the Kings are laughing.

Burrows @ $4.5 or Gaborik at $4.9, I know who I'd take.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by BurningBeard » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:13 am

Gabby signs in LA.
7 years, $4.9 million per.

Callahan signs in Tampa
6 years, $5.8 million per.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:16 am

Probably the "going rate" for Callahan, but I don't like it in term or dollars.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:17 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:Gaborik re-ups in LA... .7 years @$4.9M per.

What a steal, especially when you consider Clarkson got 7@$5.25. That contract might look a bit shotty when Gaborik is 37/38, but if the cap keeps rising it's no big deal. This is a better deal than Hossa's in Chicago, and if Gaborik can stay remotely healthy (big if) the Kings are laughing.

Burrows @ $4.5 or Gaborik at $4.9, I know who I'd take.
That is indeed a big if. :mrgreen:

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Hockey Widow » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:32 am

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by dbr » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:40 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:Probably the "going rate" for Callahan, but I don't like it in term or dollars.
Speaking of the going rate.. with the cap increase already falling slightly this year, if revenue stagnates and the Canadian dollar gets weaker it'd probably be better for the long term interests of this franchise to mostly stay out of UFA and keep their space for future offseasons where inflation is much less of a factor.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by black ace » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:45 am

dbr wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:Probably the "going rate" for Callahan, but I don't like it in term or dollars.
Speaking of the going rate.. with the cap increase already falling slightly this year, if revenue stagnates and the Canadian dollar gets weaker it'd probably be better for the long term interests of this franchise to mostly stay out of UFA and keep their space for future offseasons where inflation is much less of a factor.
Not going to happen. The cap is going to continue to rise and quite quickly.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by herb » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:47 am

Don't forget that half of the league's revenues come from the seven Canadian teams. If the CAD takes too much of a hit, so will league-wide revenues.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by black ace » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:59 am

Mondi wrote:LA finally has a bad contract on the books!

7 years for Gabby is not best, not at 33.

But, he did earn it.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Betamax » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:00 pm

Mondi wrote:Is it only if you sign after 35 that all those penalties kick in? Or is it just if you are over 35 and you retire?

So many stupid rules to deal with the cap.
I think it is if you're 35 or over when the new contract comes into effect, the remainder counts even if you retire. So if Gaborik retires before the end of deal, the Kings will be off the hook because he will be 32 when the contract comes into effect. :mex:

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by dbr » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:29 pm

black ace wrote:
dbr wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:Probably the "going rate" for Callahan, but I don't like it in term or dollars.
Speaking of the going rate.. with the cap increase already falling slightly this year, if revenue stagnates and the Canadian dollar gets weaker it'd probably be better for the long term interests of this franchise to mostly stay out of UFA and keep their space for future offseasons where inflation is much less of a factor.
Not going to happen. The cap is going to continue to rise and quite quickly.
The cap is going to continue to rise but will we see it jump roughly 10% like it is going to this season? I don't think so. Even with the players 5% increase option I have a hard time seeing average annual increases like this one over any sustained period.

If the increases slow down significantly, teams spending like that's not going to happen are going to be hurting. Teams that have more cap space will get better value for those cap dollars, and even with an average or mediocre UFA class a team with more space will be better able to get good value due to smaller amounts of inflation.

Don't get me wrong, there is no way the Canucks sit out of UFA in a year where they desperately need to improve and have a passable product to sell to the fans. I just think that if they're not going to contend next year, if the players in UFA are worse (as a whole) than ever and prices are higher than ever, there's no sense making long term commitments.

But yeah if the cap's going to jump 10% every year then give Vanek and Stastny $70m 7 year deals and be done with it. By the back half of those contracts they'll look great under a $95m (then $103m, then $114m, then $125m) cap ceiling!

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