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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Ronning's Ghost » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:37 pm

SKYO wrote:
Cornuck wrote:As much as I hate looking back, I will only consider one pick that we screwed up. If we had have selected Kopitar, our franchise would have its name on the Cup. Everything else seems like so much window dressing.

Take a page from Tom Brady - don't worry about the past, concentrate on the future.


Yes, it's more constructive to concentrate on the future, but it's unwise to ignore lessons from the past.

While it seems likely that the Canucks would have won the Cup by now had they selected Kopitar, I am unwilling to concede that draft was a screw-up. We'll never know how good Bourdon could have been -- maybe good enough to have also been a major contributor to a championship. That was just tragically bad luck.

In my opinion, the draft that cost them a Cup via screw-up (as opposed to tragedy) was 1990. I won't pretend that I knew who Jagr and Brodeur would become (and it has come to light since the Jagr might really not have been available had Vancouver selected him), but if Quinn had simply gone with the obvious choices in Primeau and Tkachuk (whom I did want), it seems likely that the Canucks win in '94.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby ukcanuck » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:23 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Cornuck wrote:As much as I hate looking back, I will only consider one pick that we screwed up. If we had have selected Kopitar, our franchise would have its name on the Cup. Everything else seems like so much window dressing.

Take a page from Tom Brady - don't worry about the past, concentrate on the future.


Yes, it's more constructive to concentrate on the future, but it's unwise to ignore lessons from the past.

While it seems likely that the Canucks would have won the Cup by now had they selected Kopitar, I am unwilling to concede that draft was a screw-up. We'll never know how good Bourdon good have been. Maybe good enough to have also been a major contributor to a championship. That was just tragically bad luck.

In my opinion, the draft that cost them a Cup via screw-up (as opposed to tragedy) was 1990. I won't pretend that I knew who Jagr and Brodeur would become (and it has come to light since the Jagr might really not have been available had Vancouver selected him), but if Quinn had simply gone with the obvious choices in Primeau and Tkachuk (whom I did want), it seems likely that the Canucks win in '94.


It seems that with this franchise, when it comes to bad luck and poor choices, it is pretty much take your pick.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:57 pm

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Topper wrote:Lets give 2nd and 3rd round picks 5 years to play 100 NHL games.

How many have made it to more than 100 since being drafted?

2012 Draft 2nd round 6 of 30 player, 20%
2012 Draft 3rd round 3 of 30 player, 10%

2011 Draft (Six years since being drafted) 2nd round 14 of 30 player, 47%.....13 of 30 haven't played 50 NHL games
2011 Draft (Six years since being drafted) 3rd round 7 of 30 player, 23%

2010 Draft (Seven years since being drafted) 2nd round 12 of 30 player, 40%.....15 of 30 haven't played 50 NHL games
2010 Draft (Seven years since being drafted) 3rd round 5 of 30 player, 17%

2009 Draft (Eight years since being drafted) 2nd round 12 of 30 player, 40%.....9 of 30 have played more than 200 NHL games
2009 Draft (Eight years since being drafted) 3rd round 8 of 30 player, 27%

2008 Draft (Nine years since being drafted) 2nd round 12 of 30 player, 40%.....7 of 30 have played more than 200 NHL games
2008 Draft (Nine years since being drafted) 3rd round 6 of 30 player, 20%

2007 Draft (Ten years since being drafted) 2nd round 7 of 30 player, 23%.....4 of 30 have played more than 200 NHL games
2007 Draft (Ten years since being drafted) 3rd round 6 of 30 player, 20%

2006 Draft (Eleven years since being drafted) 2nd round 13 of 30 player, 43%.....9 of 30 have played more than 200 NHL games
2006 Draft (Eleven years since being drafted) 3rd round 8 of 30 player, 27%

So you're looking at around a 40% chance of getting 100+ games out of a 2nd round pick and less than 30% chance of getting 200+ games.

From a third round, you're looking at 20% - 25% chance of getting 100+ games.


I thought JB was a genius. If he is, his picks should be much better than the average (i.e. the above information is useless for projecting how JB's picks will (or would) do).


The post you responded to had nothing to do with JB.

It was about: How great of a haul did Sakic get in the Duchene trade.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:14 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Lol anyone that would rather have Linden Vey than a 1/5 chance at an impact player is an idiot.


Don't forget that pre mental breakdown Vey was a different player than post mental breakdown Vey.

Almost everyone here loved the 50th overall for pre mental breakdown Vey trade.

As a matter of fact YOU Blobert were on the Vey bandwagon...

Blob Mckenzie Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:33 am wrote:The urine crew is warming up for the regular season I see . Vey was in and out for sure but he sure showed a lot more than Jensen or Shinkaruk . The same people saying Vey was gifted a job are the same guys whining about a lack of rooks on the team .


Most people here will recall that Blobby was on the Lord Benning bandwagon in those days.

As you can see, Blob labeled everyone who wasn't on said bandwagon "the urine crew".

Twas for irony's sake that, once Blob turned on GMJB, he was crowned chief of dat dere crew.

Blob Mckenzie Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:01 pm wrote:I wonder if the dude would like Vey better if he had a French last name like Dumaresq or something like that .

Blob Mckenzie Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:06 pm wrote:he has good hands and is good on the pp...He is kid FFS . He is at least contributing to the team .

Blob Mckenzie Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:13 pm wrote:The pp first unit has looked decent . He seems to hVe given the twins more room to fire the puck around with Vrbata .

Blob Mckenzie Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:52 pm wrote:I like Linden Vey a lot on the first pp unit... I am curious to see if either Vey or Horvat can seize that 3rd line centre spot this season .



And so on.

It was when post mental breakdown Vey showed up that folks began 2nd-guessing the trade.

HEY, who knew dad would try to kill mom?

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby DonCherry4PM » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:47 pm

Strangelove wrote:The post you responded to had nothing to do with JB.

It was about: How great of a haul did Sakic get in the Duchene trade.


Well shit - what I get for not reading more than the last few posts.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hank » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:07 am

Strangelove wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ...

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Oh, snap! :shock:
Try to focus on 2 years from now...
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Tciso » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:13 am

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Strangelove wrote:The post you responded to had nothing to do with JB.

It was about: How great of a haul did Sakic get in the Duchene trade.


Well shit - what I get for not reading more than the last few posts.

Apologies, Topper.


You still inferred a good point. If Gillis was the GM of Colorado, it is a terrible trade. If Benning is the GM, it is a great trade, as statistically, Gilis's picks crap the bed.

Overall, with average numbers, Sakic did alright, alright, alright.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:51 pm

From SN:


Oilers acquire Mike Cammalleri from Kings for Jussi Jokinen

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November 14, 2017, 7:16 PM
The Edmonton Oilers have acquired Mike Cammalleri from the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Jussi Jokinen.

Cammalleri has three goals and seven points in 15 games this season, his second stint with the Kings after signing a one-year contract with the team on July 1.



Jokinen has just one assist in 14 games for the Oilers, which signed the 34-year-old to a one-year contract on July 7 after the Finn was bought out by the Florida Panthers.

Edmonton has struggled to put the puck in the net this season, and in Cammalleri the team has found an experienced sniper who’s hit the 20-goal mark six times in his career.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Tciso » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:30 am

I don't understand why LA does this trade. Cammalleri seems infinitely more productive than Jokinen this season, and the cap hits are pretty damned close. Was there a pick thrown in?


Hockey Widow wrote:From SN:


Oilers acquire Mike Cammalleri from Kings for Jussi Jokinen

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November 14, 2017, 7:16 PM
The Edmonton Oilers have acquired Mike Cammalleri from the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Jussi Jokinen.

Cammalleri has three goals and seven points in 15 games this season, his second stint with the Kings after signing a one-year contract with the team on July 1.



Jokinen has just one assist in 14 games for the Oilers, which signed the 34-year-old to a one-year contract on July 7 after the Finn was bought out by the Florida Panthers.

Edmonton has struggled to put the puck in the net this season, and in Cammalleri the team has found an experienced sniper who’s hit the 20-goal mark six times in his career.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:32 am

No picks exchanged that I can find.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:18 pm

Tciso wrote:I don't understand why LA does this trade. Cammalleri seems infinitely more productive than Jokinen this season, and the cap hits are pretty damned close. Was there a pick thrown in?


Apparently Cammalleri complained about his lack of icetime in LA.

Cammalleri is the flashier of the two and was putting up points, but is the value that far off?

(dunno)

I'm guessing Jokinen is okay with a bottom-six/defensive-forward role at this stage of his career.

Jokinen has always been a good penalty killer, good defensively, great in the dot (when called upon).
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby SKYO » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:14 pm

See it's ok to trade players you just signed. :D
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:32 am

Taychook gets one game for his nonsense in starting the brawl the other night. Glad the league nailed him but it should have been more. He interfered with a player not on the ice, coaches have received more!
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Topper » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:41 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Taychook gets one game for his nonsense in starting the brawl the other night. Glad the league nailed him but it should have been more. He interfered with a player not on the ice, coaches have received more!

....and has previous suspension history
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Jovocop » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:53 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Taychook gets one game for his nonsense in starting the brawl the other night. Glad the league nailed him but it should have been more. He interfered with a player not on the ice, coaches have received more!


His daddy has lots of good old friends working at the NHL Department of Player Safety. Unfortunately, sometimes it has little to do with what you did but most importantly who you know. :(
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