Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by JelloPuddingPop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:57 pm

tantalum wrote:
Zedlee wrote:Wow...Kovalchuk retires...what a shock. Guess with the money in the KHL now, other guys could follow.
Only the guys whose competitive nature are less than desired in a NHL player.
Or guys who want to play at home. I don't think Kovalchuk's competitive nature was less than desired, he was a PPG player... I think that takes a bit of a desire to accomplish no?

Loved to be on the ice apparently...

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by donlever » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:10 pm

JelloPuddingPop wrote:
tantalum wrote: Or guys who want to play at home.
Yeah I agree (although tants point is valid in many cases as well).

There are the Radulovs and Kostitsyns.

And then there are the Kovalchuks.

Dude wants to go home, (if that's the bottom line here...I have no idea obviously), then he wants to go home.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Aaronp18 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:21 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: Certainly better for us than his 5.3, better than a buyout for the owner, but the big difference is Kovie will play agin in the KHL. Luongo does not have those options, we he does I guess, if he wants to live in Russia.
Yeah, I understand. More just joking around. Though there is discussion amongst some of the media here of Luo simply sitting out the year - which makes no sense for Luongo.

I'm perfectly happy with Luo playing for the Canucks, barring of course he still wants to. His cap hit is great for the player he is and it will enable us to better the team in front of him, especially when the cap goes back up.

Being a team that spends or will spend close to the cap every year is great, unless of course the cap is artificially decreased. In this scenario we are just going to have to grin and bear it for the year.

The Devils are much worse without Kovie. Not sure how they can replace a player of his ilk.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by tantalum » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:28 pm

JelloPuddingPop wrote:
tantalum wrote:
Zedlee wrote:Wow...Kovalchuk retires...what a shock. Guess with the money in the KHL now, other guys could follow.
Only the guys whose competitive nature are less than desired in a NHL player.
Or guys who want to play at home. I don't think Kovalchuk's competitive nature was less than desired, he was a PPG player... I think that takes a bit of a desire to accomplish no?

Loved to be on the ice apparently...
Meh. I think his effort was intermittent. Not unlike Mogilny.

yes he likely just wants to play at home. But it also means he doesn't want to achieve the pinnacle that there is to achieve in his chosen profession. That's fine. It's a choice he has made. No problem with that at all. We all make those choices. But Russian, Canadian or whatever, it also means it isn't the type of competitive nature you hope to have on your team. You want every guy to want to be part of the best team in the best league on the planet. Kovalchuk doesn't want to be that guy so he has made the decision he needed to make. While it sounded like I was slamming him with my quick comment that wasn't the intent. he has made the right decision for him and his teammates because he wasn't willing to go balls out for a NHL team.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Eddy Punch Clock » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:29 pm

So in light of this "retirement" ... and now that NJ has the cap space... and no first round picks coming anytime soon, would you trade Luongo and Horvat for Schneider? :shock:

All we really wanted to do was get Lou's contract off the books no?

I'm mostly kidding... but nothing would surprise me anymore when it comes to the goaltending drama in Vancouver.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by alexBF » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:20 pm

This could turn out VERY well for Kovalchuk financially, especially if he can go on to do something like score the gold medal winning goal.

In Russia the story will be a player loving his country too much to just chase money in America. He'll be a Russian hero, no questioning his loyalty to his country. Then he can go on to dominate the KHL as the clearly best player in the league.

He'll get a good salary there, but he will get INSANE sponsorship money, companies all over will want the Kovalchuk brand stamped on their products.

Returning superstar, in the prime of his career at only 30 years old comes home to raise his family in a "better" country back home, leads his country's team to olympic gold on home soil for the first time ever.

This could go very well for him... if they don't win the gold and/or he's not the star it will still go well, but if it goes that way he'll come out much better financially than if he had stayed here.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Strangelove » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:31 pm

donlever wrote: Dude wants to go home, (if that's the bottom line here...I have no idea obviously), then he wants to go home.

Fill your boots bro.
True, except only a filthy godless commie would wanna go home to "The Motherland" amirite? :mex:
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by BurningBeard » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:53 pm

alexBF wrote:This could go very well for him...
If the plane stays in the air.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Jovocop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:58 pm

BurningBeard wrote:
alexBF wrote:This could go very well for him...
If the plane stays in the air.
That is not nice.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by rats19 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:03 pm

BurningBeard wrote:
alexBF wrote:This could go very well for him...
If the plane stays in the air.
My brother went to Russia last year to assemble a log house shell...I told him to take a bus once in Russia..
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Jovocop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:10 pm

rats19 wrote:
BurningBeard wrote:
alexBF wrote:This could go very well for him...
If the plane stays in the air.
My brother went to Russia last year to assemble a log house shell...I told him to take a bus once in Russia..
They might maintain their buses like their planes... :look:

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Strangelove » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:14 pm

Poor Jersey, I guess this lends some credence to the old "ginger keepers are a jinx" saying. :drink:

Quick, someone tell Boothie hunting licenses are not required in Russia!
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Arachnid » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:05 pm

tantalum wrote:
JelloPuddingPop wrote:
tantalum wrote: Only the guys whose competitive nature are less than desired in a NHL player.
Or guys who want to play at home. I don't think Kovalchuk's competitive nature was less than desired, he was a PPG player... I think that takes a bit of a desire to accomplish no?

Loved to be on the ice apparently...
Meh. I think his effort was intermittent. Not unlike Mogilny.

yes he likely just wants to play at home. But it also means he doesn't want to achieve the pinnacle that there is to achieve in his chosen profession. That's fine. It's a choice he has made. No problem with that at all. We all make those choices. But Russian, Canadian or whatever, it also means it isn't the type of competitive nature you hope to have on your team. You want every guy to want to be part of the best team in the best league on the planet. Kovalchuk doesn't want to be that guy so he has made the decision he needed to make. While it sounded like I was slamming him with my quick comment that wasn't the intent. he has made the right decision for him and his teammates because he wasn't willing to go balls out for a NHL team.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by tantalum » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:14 pm

Thanks!

I'd given up long ago on being the best poster. I've decided I'm very happy in putting minimal effort into my posts. I've certainly stopped caring about such things as spelling and grammar. Etc etc etc. Hell I recently turned down a pretty big promotion simply because we didn't want to uproot our family. I understand completely the putting family ahead of career. I'm happy in my decreased career trajectory because it allows me to spend far more time with the family (others have opposite motivations). Then again, because I am happy with that means you likely don't want me running the company because I'm simply not motivated to be the best of the best (doesn't mean I'm not motivated to do my job the best I can). Same as this case...you'd much rather have the guy who wants to be a part of that pinnacle than one content with a lesser professional prize (but higher personal prize).

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by RoyalDude » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:19 pm

tantalum wrote:Thanks!

I'd given up long ago on being the best poster. I've decided I'm very happy in putting minimal effort into my posts. I've certainly stopped caring about such things as spelling and grammar. Etc etc etc. Hell I recently turned down a pretty big promotion simply because we didn't want to uproot our family. I understand completely the putting family ahead of career. I'm happy in my decreased career trajectory because it allows me to spend far more time with the family (others have opposite motivations). Then again, because I am happy with that means you likely don't want me running the company because I'm simply not motivated to be the best of the best (doesn't mean I'm not motivated to do my job the best I can). Same as this case...you'd much rather have the guy who wants to be a part of that pinnacle than one content with a lesser professional prize (but higher personal prize).
You're putting in way too much effort explaining to someone who does things like bringing his own personal Pom poms to Joe Louis arena
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