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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:22 pm
by Jovocop
herb wrote:
One thing Nonis and Burke have in common is that they're very good at justifying why they didn't do something. How many times did we endure these two saying "I will not overpay for a goaltender/second line forward...blah blah blah"?

If Gillis' goal is to acquire some help for the here and now, then obviously Luongo needs to be traded asap.

If Gillis' goal is to acquire futures in the form of draft picks and/or prospects, then he is probably better served by waiting out the season and seeing if there are more suitors in the off season. It's not like a guy like Bjugstad, for example, would be much help this season, so what's the rush? I think it's highly unlikely that Florida and Toronto will remove themselves from the Luongo sweepstakes if this thing drags on into the off season, so Gillis does have some manoeuvrability.

The thing that gets me, is that if I'm Dave Nonis I am itching to get into the playoffs this season for the sake of some job security. If there was ever a time he could be afforded some leeway and 'benefit of the doubt' in terms of potentially overpaying, you would think it would be in the department of solidifying the goaltending position, right?
It is a loop.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:37 pm
by Ropesauce
Can we add "we're building from the net out" to that loop?

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:04 pm
by The Brown Wizard
I wonder how long it'll take for Randy "cheeseburger eatin' mofo" Nonis to lose the shirt and give up Gardiner... (put me in the camp where Bozak & Gardiner are a good enough return)
It's his only chance of actually making enough of a difference to keep his job past April in my opinion.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:29 pm
by Hockey Widow
Uncle dans leg wrote:I wonder how long it'll take for Randy "cheeseburger eatin' mofo" Nonis to lose the shirt and give up Gardiner... (put me in the camp where Bozak & Gardiner are a good enough return)
It's his only chance of actually making enough of a difference to keep his job past April in my opinion.

Gardiner is still not cleared to play with his post concussion symptoms and all. So he would be a player for the future not one that would help the Canucks in the immediate future. Not that I would say no to GArdiner but if the goal is the get immediate help he is not it right now.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:38 pm
by The Brown Wizard
Hockey Widow wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote:I wonder how long it'll take for Randy "cheeseburger eatin' mofo" Nonis to lose the shirt and give up Gardiner... (put me in the camp where Bozak & Gardiner are a good enough return)
It's his only chance of actually making enough of a difference to keep his job past April in my opinion.

Gardiner is still not cleared to play with his post concussion symptoms and all. So he would be a player for the future not one that would help the Canucks in the immediate future. Not that I would say no to GArdiner but if the goal is the get immediate help he is not it right now.
Ya thats where Bozak would come in handy...
Also just heard on SNet that Gardiners' pretty close, may play Saturday. Rumour was that we want Bozak and Gardiner but Burke/cheeseburger didn't want to cough up Gardiner.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:04 am
by Chef Boi RD
A 2013 1st round pick is the best return. Makes us a player in the 2013 draft with 2 first round picks, especially if we play like shite in which i think we will.

The season will be over before you know it, no big deal if we stink the joint out. I say we pull a Kevin Lowe/Steve Tambellini and tank the season.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:06 am
by Chef Boi RD
Uncle dans leg wrote: Ya thats where Bozak would come in handy...
Also just heard on SNet that Gardiners' pretty close, may play Saturday. Rumour was that we want Bozak and Gardiner but Burke/cheeseburger didn't want to cough up Gardiner.
You do realize that Bozak is a rental player. He's a UFA at the end of the season. You don't give up an asset like Luongo if a main piece coming back is pretty much a rental player. Fucking sign Daymond Langkow for fuck sakes. Bozak is like a poor mans Brenden Morrison, a real awesome player. NOT

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:45 am
by The Brown Wizard
RoyalDude wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote: Ya thats where Bozak would come in handy...
Also just heard on SNet that Gardiners' pretty close, may play Saturday. Rumour was that we want Bozak and Gardiner but Burke/cheeseburger didn't want to cough up Gardiner.
You do realize that Bozak is a rental player. He's a UFA at the end of the season. You don't give up an asset like Luongo if a main piece coming back is pretty much a rental player. Fucking sign Daymond Langkow for fuck sakes. Bozak is like a poor mans Brenden Morrison, a real awesome player. NOT
Gardiner ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Bozak dude. Plus. Now and Later

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:16 pm
by Strangelove
Would you guys settle for this: Lu Wongo for Kadri + Kulemin + 2nd?

Former 7th overall Kadri seems to be rounding into form, he's a solid prospect on the cusp I'd say.

True, he's a make-or-break top-6-or-bust player, but I'd roll the dice on him.

Kulemin would fit right in here imo.

A big smart physical good-skating 2-way forward with upside... on a decent cap-hit.

We could build a temporary (until Booth, Kess come back) 2nd line around these two.

Obviously it would be a 2nd line that only see about as much icetime as a 3rd line of Higgins, Lappy, Hansen.

But a temporary 2nd line of sorts.

We could throw Kassian on that line and call it the KKK line. :mex:

Thoughts?

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:25 pm
by SKYO
Strangelove wrote:Would you guys settle for this: Lu Wongo for Kadri + Kulemin + 2nd?
I have a feeling MG would prefer Frattin, relatively unknown outside the T.O. just got into the game after playing college in the States, plays big/strong/industrious, has a good shot + wheels and will likely have a breakout season soon if put in the right situation.
Kadri+Frattin+Reimer?

Not to mention they have a coupla decent center rentals like the tired name Bozak or Lombardi who would be the perfect 3rd line center on any contending team, if healthy.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:29 pm
by Topper
Kadri has all the appeal Kyle Wellwood when he was a leaf.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:47 pm
by BurningBeard
Strangelove wrote: Former 7th overall Kadri seems to be rounding into form
Making jokes about player's weight is below you.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:56 pm
by Strangelove
SKYO wrote:
Strangelove wrote: Would you guys settle for this: Lu Wongo for Kadri + Kulemin + 2nd?
I have a feeling MG would prefer Frattin, relatively unknown outside the T.O. just got into the game after playing college in the States, plays big/strong/industrious, has a good shot + wheels and will likely have a breakout season soon if put in the right situation.

Kadri+Frattin+Reimer?
I don't think MG would prefer Frattin to Kulemin.

I certainly wouldn't.

If it were Kadri + Frattin, I'd want a 1st-round-pick as well.

I'd rather have Kulemin because he has proven he can pass for a 2nd-liner.

I wouldn't touch Reimer with a 10-foot pole.
SKYO wrote: Not to mention they have a coupla decent center rentals like the tired name Bozak or Lombardi who would be the perfect 3rd line center on any contending team, if healthy.
I don't like Lombardi (or Connolly).

I suppose I could settle for Bozak, but I'd prefer Kulemin.

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:57 pm
by Strangelove
Topper wrote:Kadri has all the appeal Kyle Wellwood when he was a leaf.
:look:

Well I wouldn't know.....

Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:59 pm
by ukcanuck
Gardiner or no one from the Leaves at this time, we need more from luongo than players the Leaves can do without...