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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

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RoyalDude wrote: Tell me, what is so wrong with Schroeder?
He's an undersized player who doesn't sore enough to compensate.

I think he can play, and I like the fact that we have a young, waiver exempt guy that can cover for injuries, but in the here and now, he doesn't look like a guy you should expect to play an important role in the playofffs.
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Nuckertuzzi wrote: He may eventually get over the hump here but he's had six years, five opportunities and failed miserably in most of them.
I'd point out that in every one of those "miserable failures", there have been two teams on the ice, and in every case but one*, that other team has gone on to win the Stanley Cup that year.

I know this horse has been beaten to death, but when you score 8 goals in 7 games, that's a miserable failure alright, but not by your goaltending. (even when Lou was getting shutouts we were only scoring 1 goal, so I have no time for the "lou sucked so bad that he made the team suck" argument). To win the cup, you have to be good, and you have to be lucky with injuries. That's just how it is. The Bruins were a lot luckier with injuries than we were in 2011 and they won. The 2012 Kings were a lot better team on the ice than they were on paper, and they were damn lucky with injuries all the way through, and they won. The 2010 Hawks were simply better and deeper than we were, as were the 2007 Ducks.

*(I think that 2009 against the Hawks is the one time that I would really hang it on Lou... the rest of the time we got beat by a better/healthier team).
2007 - Lu was outstanding despite the overtime blunder. The team was completely inept offensively. We had no chance, I loved his performance...no problem there.

2009 - The Hawks were deeper but that was the year I felt we really could've done something as we had some serious depth ourselves. Unfortnately that was the year when Lu's meltdowns began. Game 6 against the Hawks was an absolute killer because the team fought so hard to stay alive and the Twins and Sundin really came to life but Lu couldn't stop a puck to save his life. It was one deflating goal after another and at the worst possible times. Inexcusable when you supposedly have the better goaltender in the series.

2010 - The Hawks were an even better and deeper team and our defense was in shambles so I'll grant you that..but that's when you hope to get a spark from your goaltending and instead you get the opposite as he was equally as bad in this series as the season prior.

2011 - Third series in a row against a Hawks team where we should've had the goaltending advantage and didn't. Yet Lu managed to find a way get out of the series with a stellar Game 7...deserves praise for that but it was his horrible games in between that got us to that point.

The 8 goal Boston series argument is valid but people forget the fact that one of the biggest reasons we couldn't score is because the other goalie was doing to us exactly what I've been trying to say about what Lu should be doing more frequently to others. So what if he shuts out three games if you can't stop a beach ball in the other four...you need to win four games, right?

2012 - Lu was ok, couldn't be blamed but a few more stops could've helped. What I'd like to point out most about last years playoffs is what was the main reason the Kings won the Cup? Outstanding, reliable goaltending. Quick had a couple of so so games but recovered nicely and never let anything escalate to meltdowns. While he was simply out of this world it's proven you don't need that level of backstopping to win a Cup. But you have no chance if you get performances as volatile as Lu's. If we had just gotten one consistently good year out of him close to what Quick did, something he should be more than capable of, do you think we would still be Cupless right now with the teams we've had?



season prior.
Geez I hope you don't do employee evaluations for a living :) thats quite the spin.... you could also say we got beat by a better team each year who generated and manufactured timely goals with some good old fashioned shithouse luck and hard work while Luongo wasn't Georges Vezina
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

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Strangelove wrote:Hmmm Lou to Florida for Weiss + Matthias.


Sedin / Sedin / Kassian
Higgins / Kesler / Burrows
Booth / Weiss / Hansen
Matthias / Manny / Lappy
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I like this (except wonder about Booth/Higgins) , so the question I pose is what is expected from the third line? Should they be young full of piss/vinegar or vets who are calm and collective? I know they need to put some pucks in the net but what is realistic for a third line? I guess this is the area I would like MG/AV to spend more time on and figure this out.

Canucks always has injuries in the playoffs so the third line guys are needed to move up and produce as requried but in the past it seems our third line are always full of plumbers. I know it is easy to write and more difficult to do.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

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Reefer2 wrote:
Strangelove wrote:Hmmm Lou to Florida for Weiss + Matthias.


Sedin / Sedin / Kassian
Higgins / Kesler / Burrows
Booth / Weiss / Hansen
Matthias / Manny / Lappy
Weise
I like this (except wonder about Booth/Higgins) , so the question I pose is what is expected from the third line? Should they be young full of piss/vinegar or vets who are calm and collective? I know they need to put some pucks in the net but what is realistic for a third line? I guess this is the area I would like MG/AV to spend more time on and figure this out.

Canucks always has injuries in the playoffs so the third line guys are needed to move up and produce as requried but in the past it seems our third line are always full of plumbers. I know it is easy to write and more difficult to do.
Well if they are all healthy your Vancouver Canucks have one (1) first line and two (2) 2nd lines (lines that are defensively responsible and can score). Also your Vancouver Canucks would have a few players who could slide into the Top 9 temporarily in case of injury (Schroeder, Lappy, Matthias). I put Booth with Weiss because they played together for 4 years in Florida....
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Topper wrote:At times I feel like I'm reading a flash back of Bountiful here.
The twins are 32 and will continue on the same or better pace for years to come.......
Who said that ? I corrected the dude on their age and reminded him that a lot of elite players play well into their late 30's . The way he keeps aging them they will be 40 when their contracts expire.... he talks of them like they are decaying like a moldy lunch in a locker.
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Topper wrote:At times I feel like I'm reading a flash back of Bountiful here.
The twins are 32 and will continue on the same or better pace for years to come.......
Who said that ? I corrected the dude on their age and reminded him that a lot of elite players play well into their late 30's . The way he keeps aging them they will be 40 when their contracts expire.... he talks of them like they are decaying like a moldy lunch in a locker.
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Should I ?? :?
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Strangelove wrote: Well if they are all healthy your Vancouver Canucks have one (1) first line and two (2) 2nd lines (lines that are defensively responsible and can score). Also your Vancouver Canucks would have a few players who could slide into the Top 9 temporarily in case of injury (Schroeder, Lappy, Matthias). I put Booth with Weiss because they played together for 4 years in Florida....

We should just trade team for team, Vancouver for Florida. At the rate Gillis is going he might as well cut to the chase and just get it over with.

I don't understand the logic of doing constant deals with one of the worst franchises over the last decade. You acquire enough of them ya just end up bad like them.
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Topper wrote: Who said that ? I corrected the dude on their age and reminded him that a lot of elite players play well into their late 30's . The way he keeps aging them they will be 40 when their contracts expire.... he talks of them like they are decaying like a moldy lunch in a locker.
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Blobby McSicilian completely mis-read what I said, by the time Kesler gets back to 100% health, it probably won't be til next season when the Sedins will be 33.
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SKYO wrote:
Luongo + Schroeder for Weiss + Shore + Clemmenson <-- Good top 6 center rental and a 3rd line center who can help now and way into the future for top 6 center duties.
We ain't dealing with the Panthers, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. It makes no sense to trade Luongo at this age and contract to a team at the current state they are in. It's not a fit for Luongo, it's not a fit for Tallon and it's certainly not a fit for the owners there.

Luongo will be 34 in April, Gillimiblicle waits to trade him this off-season, he will turn 35 in the first year of his new team. The longer this goes on the less valuable his asset becomes. It's simple math. TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN!
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RoyalDude wrote:
Strangelove wrote: Well if they are all healthy your Vancouver Canucks have one (1) first line and two (2) 2nd lines (lines that are defensively responsible and can score). Also your Vancouver Canucks would have a few players who could slide into the Top 9 temporarily in case of injury (Schroeder, Lappy, Matthias). I put Booth with Weiss because they played together for 4 years in Florida....

We should just trade team for team, Vancouver for Florida. At the rate Gillis is going he might as well cut to the chase and just get it over with.

I don't understand the logic of doing constant deals with one of the worst franchises over the last decade. You acquire enough of them ya just end up bad like them.
Well I figure if their #1 line becomes our #3 line that'd probably be alright. :mex:
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ukcanuck wrote: Geez I hope you don't do employee evaluations for a living :) thats quite the spin.... you could also say we got beat by a better team each year who generated and manufactured timely goals with some good old fashioned shithouse luck and hard work while Luongo wasn't Georges Vezina

Spin??? If those aren't facts I don't know what is.

I don't get this argument about being beat by luck and better teams. Didn't the Kings have a dozen teams above them in the standings last year? Misleading and quite rare maybe but they didn't need any lame 'better team' excuses, they just went out and did the job. And how did they do that? They were able to rely on their biggest strength which was in goal, and not only did Quick live up to expectations he exceeded them. Timely, lucky goals?? The only luck involved was other teams were lucky our goalie gave up bad goals at the worst times. Letting a bad angle wrister by Marchand over your shoulder in such a critical game..come on, those can't happen, especially not from someone who we know is and should be a lot better than that.
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RoyalDude wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Luongo + Schroeder for Weiss + Shore + Clemmenson <-- Good top 6 center rental and a 3rd line center who can help now and way into the future for top 6 center duties.
We ain't dealing with the Panthers, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. It makes no sense to trade Luongo at this age and contract to a team at the current state they are in. It's not a fit for Luongo, it's not a fit for Tallon and it's certainly not a fit for the owners there.

Luongo will be 34 in April, Gillimiblicle waits to trade him this off-season, he will turn 35 in the first year of his new team. The longer this goes on the less valuable his asset becomes. It's simple math. TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN!
Why the hurry in trading Luongo if at all. We have probably the best goalie tandem in the league and when Luongo finally has a bad game or two put Sneids back in and visa-versa. Contrary to what you might think Gillis knows what hes doing. Thank Christ you're not running the show.
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TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN, in the off season. Trade him now for parts that make us better.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

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okcanuck wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Luongo + Schroeder for Weiss + Shore + Clemmenson <-- Good top 6 center rental and a 3rd line center who can help now and way into the future for top 6 center duties.
We ain't dealing with the Panthers, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. It makes no sense to trade Luongo at this age and contract to a team at the current state they are in. It's not a fit for Luongo, it's not a fit for Tallon and it's certainly not a fit for the owners there.

Luongo will be 34 in April, Gillimiblicle waits to trade him this off-season, he will turn 35 in the first year of his new team. The longer this goes on the less valuable his asset becomes. It's simple math. TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN!
Why the hurry in trading Luongo if at all. We have probably the best goalie tandem in the league and when Luongo finally has a bad game or two put Sneids back in and visa-versa. Contrary to what you might think Gillis knows what hes doing. Thank Christ you're not running the show.
Listen OKilee Dokilee, you can't have these two goalies at their salaries around past this season, keeping both for the season is fine and dandy, but to think that Gillis can swing a better deal the longer this goes on, especially this coming off-season ain't happening. Gillis needs to trade him pretty quickly here. Other GM's know that Gillis won't be able to lolligag next summer as he will have to clear the books of him.

The bottom line is, we should be keeping Luongo and we should be trying to trade Schneider.
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