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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby wafflecombine » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:18 am

I kinda have to disagree on Lou to TO now. They really don't have pieces we need. Also, they are unwilling to give up anything decent from all reports so unless we are trading Lou for a slew of draft picks.... I am not convinced.

I like the thoughts about Washington and Ovi just cause they are so outlandish they make me grin... but realistically where the hell do you play him? We just don't have the depth to create two #1 lines. :) but its a nice dream.

who knows... all will be revealed when Gillis finally lets us in on whatever deal he has in the mix.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Topper » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:58 am

Whether true or not GMMG's comments do two positive things.
1 - They deflect the discussion away from the two goaltenders and back onto GMMG.

2 - He's fucking with the reporters minds by getting them off their Nonis/GMMG track and making them do their own homework.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Nuckertuzzi » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:43 pm

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Reefer2 wrote:So then it is all just MG playing with the media.

I love the local guys and how they go on and on about having teh 2 goalies is a circus and a distraction to the team. The part that really pisses me off is that it is the local media that is creating the problem. I mean other than someone like RD, normal fans do not think 24/7 about the Canucks and if there is a goalie issue in Vancouver.

The media creates the issue, complains about the issue, writes about the issues, talks endlessly about the issue, tells everyone that it is all fans care about and then when called on it, they say it is their job to report. Some days it is better to turn the radio off than listen to 1040. Chapman should go back to just writing for the Province.

I would love for Schneider/Luongo just to start ignoring any question directed to them about the "goalie" issue.


When is the media frenzy around the Canucks not a circus? If/when Luongo is traded we all know there will be another 'circus topic'. I don't even mean this as criticism, it speaks to how central the Canucks are to Vancouver, but it also means that the team is more than used to all the attention, questions, etc. As Roseanne Rosanadana used to say "If it ain't one thing, it's another"




Sigh....

Remember the good old days when only half the sched was televised?....when Dan Russell was the only call-in sportstalk radio show in town that only broadcast a couple hours a night?....when there wasn't a TSN or a TSN2, Sportsnet, SN1, SN Ontario, Pacific, West, Africa..etc, etc...and Hockey 2Nite, Hockey Central, That's Hockey, and all those hot stove panel discussion shows on every half hour??...

The irony is Pat Quinn was running the show back then and he was far and away the most tight-lipped GM we've ever had. He was always so guarded against perpetuating a circus frenzy like the way it is today. Though I remember the Nedved situation wasn't exactly a backburner topic back in those days, but can you imagine what a soap opera that would've been today....guess we're kinda seeing it now.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby coco_canuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:31 pm

Topper wrote:Whether true or not GMMG's comments do two positive things.
1 - They deflect the discussion away from the two goaltenders and back onto GMMG.

2 - He's fucking with the reporters minds by getting them off their Nonis/GMMG track and making them do their own homework.


This.

From what's been reported by a few people, including LeBrun who says Gillis has been "offered good pieces, just not the right ones" it seem GMMG has a decent market and he's at the very least getting something good in return.

It's about snuffing out the right deal. And despite what the media consistently imply, GMMG is nowhere near a pressure point of trading Luo. Unless some unforeseen circumstances or the team struggling mightily around the trade deadline, the pressure point to trade Luongo is next off-season, probably around the draft.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby ukcanuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:44 pm

coco_canuck wrote:
Topper wrote:Whether true or not GMMG's comments do two positive things.
1 - They deflect the discussion away from the two goaltenders and back onto GMMG.

2 - He's fucking with the reporters minds by getting them off their Nonis/GMMG track and making them do their own homework.


This.

From what's been reported by a few people, including LeBrun who says Gillis has been "offered good pieces, just not the right ones" it seem GMMG has a decent market and he's at the very least getting something good in return.

It's about snuffing out the right deal. And despite what the media consistently imply, GMMG is nowhere near a pressure point of trading Luo. Unless some unforeseen circumstances or the team struggling mightily around the trade deadline, the pressure point to trade Luongo is next off-season, probably around the draft.


LeBrun also stood outside the NHL office in New York the day the lockout broke and claimed Luongo to TO was a done deal and he knew the players but in fairness to the TO players wouldn't announce them until the ratification process was done...he's a bit of schmuck me thinks

I find it hard to believe that Gillis would say what he has said if he had any kind of a deal. Toppers observation points to an intentional media mindfuck...
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:28 pm

coco_canuck wrote:It's about snuffing out the right deal. And despite what the media consistently imply, GMMG is nowhere near a pressure point of trading Luo. Unless some unforeseen circumstances or the team struggling mightily around the trade deadline, the pressure point to trade Luongo is next off-season, probably around the draft.


Good call coco. As long as we're within the cap, there's no reason to trade Lou. Sure, we could use a second line centre, but we create another hole in the crease behind Schneider. Odds are one of these two goalies (and probably both) get hot sooner rather than later, and a hot goalie can single handedly win us games more-so than the wannabe Kesler (Bozak or whoever).

If Gillis gets the right deal during the season, I can see him pulling the trigger. But I think the market grows in the offseason (Hi Philly). The cap drops next year, but I also imagine Gillis has plans to get us under it (bye bye Ballard, Manny etc.) on top of the Luongo situation.

Where's Farhan during all this? This is a great time for a Luongo for Lecavalier thread...
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby coco_canuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:12 pm

ukcanuck wrote:LeBrun also stood outside the NHL office in New York the day the lockout broke and claimed Luongo to TO was a done deal and he knew the players but in fairness to the TO players wouldn't announce them until the ratification process was done...he's a bit of schmuck me thinks


That was John Shannon.

I don't recall LeBrun saying anything like that, but if you can provide a link...otherwise LeBrun is pretty solid as far as insiders go.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:25 pm

coco_canuck wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:LeBrun also stood outside the NHL office in New York the day the lockout broke and claimed Luongo to TO was a done deal and he knew the players but in fairness to the TO players wouldn't announce them until the ratification process was done...he's a bit of schmuck me thinks


That was John Shannon.

I don't recall LeBrun saying anything like that, but if you can provide a link...otherwise LeBrun is pretty solid as far as insiders go.



It was Shannon CoCo, you are right. At the time I asked around and was told in no uncertain terms that prior to the lockout Luongo had not been asked to waive his NTC. I remember saying so at the time that I was doubtful that a del was worked out. It was a planted story by Burke. He had made what he termed was his last best offer before the lockout and was trying to intimidate MG into taking it. This is were his threats that the new CBA would be punitive and that trading Luongo after the CBA would be hard. This is the shite that MG was referring to when he blasted a team for planting false stories and using bullying tactics to try and get Luongo.

I have no doubt that the Leafs coveted and maybe still covet Luongo but I also have no doubts that Burke and now maybe Nonis think they can get a sweetheart deal.

But if MG does have a deal worked out and it is with a team that hasn't been in on the Luongo rumour mill then I am as mystified as the next. Kinda curious too!
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby ukcanuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:44 pm

coco_canuck wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:LeBrun also stood outside the NHL office in New York the day the lockout broke and claimed Luongo to TO was a done deal and he knew the players but in fairness to the TO players wouldn't announce them until the ratification process was done...he's a bit of schmuck me thinks


That was John Shannon.

I don't recall LeBrun saying anything like that, but if you can provide a link...otherwise LeBrun is pretty solid as far as insiders go.

No it was LeBrun, I don't have a link so I won't press the issue, however I distinctly remember watching a clip with him and kypreos standing outside the NHL office with that flyers Manniquin in the background and thinking he's either an idiot for making such a statement or caught up in the excitement of having hockey back... Guess he could be forgiven for the latter :)

( kypper kept prodding him to say it was Bozak and Kadri...)
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby coco_canuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:52 pm

ukcanuck wrote:No it was LeBrun, I don't have a link so I won't press the issue, however I distinctly remember watching a clip with him and kypreos standing outside the NHL office with that flyers Manniquin in the background and thinking he's either an idiot for making such a statement or caught up in the excitement of having hockey back... Guess he could be forgiven for the latter :)

( kypper kept prodding him to say it was Bozak and Kadri...)


No, you're wrong.

LeBrun works for ESPN/TSN

Kypreos and Shannon work for Sportsnet.

So it's not possible you saw LeBrun and Kypreos broadcasting together.

Shannon was the one who "broke" the Luongo to Toronto as soon as the lockout is over and he was adamant it was going to happen.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby ukcanuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:08 pm

coco_canuck wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:No it was LeBrun, I don't have a link so I won't press the issue, however I distinctly remember watching a clip with him and kypreos standing outside the NHL office with that flyers Manniquin in the background and thinking he's either an idiot for making such a statement or caught up in the excitement of having hockey back... Guess he could be forgiven for the latter :)

( kypper kept prodding him to say it was Bozak and Kadri...)


No, you're wrong.

LeBrun works for ESPN/TSN

Kypreos and Shannon work for Sportsnet.

So it's not possible you saw LeBrun and Kypreos broadcasting together.

Shannon was the one who "broke" the Luongo to Toronto as soon as the lockout is over and he was adamant it was going to happen.


My mistake, I guess I'm confusing the goatees lol ...carry on
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:55 pm

There is nothing fucking cryptic about what Gillis said. He's fucking with everybody. There is no mystery team, blah, blah, blah. It's a pretty much a 'back at ya' for the Canadian hockey media back east in Toronto whom deep down are pure Maple Leaf fans to the bone. Gillis just wants to get off on watching them debate on and on over what he said. He's sending them on a wild goose chase. We are no closer to a deal than we were 8 months ago.

It was only a few nights before when Gillis had ripped into those clowns back east.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:42 pm

Speaking of the Leafs with Lupal breaking a bone in his arm and out indefinitely I wonder fi they can affords to trade any forwards now. It might put more pressure on them to do something though.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby coco_canuck » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:20 am

Hockey Widow wrote:But if MG does have a deal worked out and it is with a team that hasn't been in on the Luongo rumour mill then I am as mystified as the next. Kinda curious too!


Yeah, I think it's safe to say that no one outside of Canucks management really knows how this will play out, and anyone wagering an opinion, is doing nothing more than guess work at this point.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:55 pm

coco_canuck wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:But if MG does have a deal worked out and it is with a team that hasn't been in on the Luongo rumour mill then I am as mystified as the next. Kinda curious too!


Yeah, I think it's safe to say that no one outside of Canucks management really knows how this will play out, and anyone wagering an opinion, is doing nothing more than guess work at this point.



And maybe that was the whole point of the MG comments. Just pissing on everyone to keep them puzzled and guessing.
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