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Re: There will be a strike

Postby dbr » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:29 am

Fred wrote:
dbr wrote:nobody has an absolute right


Correct. Who all would you include within that group.


Where are you going with this Fred, is this supposed to arrive at "nobody has any rights so the players should just shut up and accept whatever the owners want to pay them"?
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby tantalum » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:18 am

Perhaps the reason the league is waiting for the PA to (once again) accept full inkage and some basic share of the HRR (negotiable) is because that is the box everything goes into. Without the box it doesn't much matter what the other things are in the leagues view. With the box they are far more likely to move from their position on other issues.
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:38 am

tantalum wrote:Perhaps the reason the league is waiting for the PA to (once again) accept full inkage and some basic share of the HRR (negotiable) is because that is the box everything goes into. Without the box it doesn't much matter what the other things are in the leagues view. With the box they are far more likely to move from their position on other issues.

It might be that percent of HRR is the tangible in this, the cash. the other stuff are intangibles they may work out in favour of the team or the player depending but as they say "A bird in hand and all that.

Besides if the the players accept the owners percentage desires the other stuff that goes in the box will never be in the player's favour. The league is not going to shorten the time it takes to gain free agency, they aren't going to allow for longer contracts so that teams can mitigate the salary cap.
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby the Dogsalmon » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:47 pm

its just one big HR problem...
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Strangelove » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:48 pm

Mondi wrote:You must be loving Mr. Harper's mature approach to international relations lately. When we disagree with countries the best thing to do is stop talking. Right ol' bean?

Harper for Statesmen of the Year!


Why is it whenever you comment on global politics all I hear is "tick tick tick"? :crazy:

Mondi wrote:The owners own the league, at the end of the day they can do whatever they want. Doesn't make them rational, reasonable or, and most importantly, honourable.


Nor does it make them irrational, unreasonable, nor dishonourable.

The things they do usually do tend to make em richer though. :drink:
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby the Dogsalmon » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:53 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Mondi wrote:You must be loving Mr. Harper's mature approach to international relations lately. When we disagree with countries the best thing to do is stop talking. Right ol' bean?

Harper for Statesmen of the Year!


Why is it whenever you comment on global politics all I hear is "tick tick tick"? :crazy:

Mondi wrote:The owners own the league, at the end of the day they can do whatever they want. Doesn't make them rational, reasonable or, and most importantly, honourable.


Nor does it make them irrational, unreasonable, nor dishonourable.

The things they do usually do tend to make em richer though. :drink:




you forgot the BOOM part...
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Strangelove » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:57 pm

... thought that might be premature.

But then I suppose premature in this case would be a GOOD thing. :D
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Fred » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:17 pm

dbr wrote:Where are you going with this Fred, is this supposed to arrive at "nobody has any rights so the players should just shut up and accept whatever the owners want to pay them"?

When you start stating that nobody has the right, you can't be selective. You say nobody and then start adding addendums
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Topper » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:19 pm

Strangelove wrote:... thought that might be premature.

But then I suppose premature in this case would be a GOOD thing. :D

Nailed it.
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Strangelove » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:34 pm

... without using so much as even a figurative hammer. :wink:
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Mondi » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:39 pm

This is for you SL and Topper, or as one might suggest mini-Romney and mini-Ryan:

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/09/08/1984 ... on-speech/

As for the owners, the dishonourable part is explained here:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... le4548860/

But you already knew all that. You're like a mini version of Glen Beck. Let the sick die, right ol' chap?

With that being said, with each player that reports to an AHL or European team...well the pendulum swings the other way.
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:42 pm

Strangelove wrote:... without using so much as even a figurative hammer. :wink:

don't always need a hammer...
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby Strangelove » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:44 pm

... now you're speaking literally :hmmm:

AND from experience?? :wink:
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:56 pm

Mondi wrote:This is for you SL and Topper, or as one might suggest mini-Romney and mini-Ryan:

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/09/08/1984 ... on-speech/

As for the owners, the dishonourable part is explained here:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... le4548860/

But you already knew all that. You're like a mini version of Glen Beck. Let the sick die, right ol' chap?

With that being said, with each player that reports to an AHL or European team...well the pendulum swings the other way.

I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one around here who didn't see anyone in Clint's chair...
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Re: There will be a strike

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:02 pm

Strangelove wrote:... now you're speaking literally :hmmm:

AND from experience?? :wink:

lol I was being descriptive

As for experience, if it wasnt for pop culture I would have no idea what y'all are talking about :shock:
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