and then you proceed to bury me in pseudo-intellectual language...coco_canuck wrote:
It'd be nice if I didn't have to hold your hand through your own pseudo-intellectual arguments.
First you were arguing a difference in kind, and now you've capitulated to a difference in degree position that's on just as shaky ground.
Could you split a hair any finer? Your missing the forest for the trees, the argument for anyone who hasn't fallen asleep yet is that the players should be as entitled to their split of the cash cow as the owners because the work and the effort and the and the luck and the genetic ability and the kitchen sink it takes to get there is as at least as valid an entitlement as the owning of a franchise.You fail to recognize that your statement that " the opportunity and path to pro sports is open to anyone regardless of class or stature" comes with a necessary condition that you minimize, and that' the endowed genetic/athletic ability that would allow, in a theoretical vacum, anyone in any class or stature to make it to pro sports. By definition, that becomes an exclusive club that is only open to those that fit that necessary condition.
omg should I have pointed out that being born and growing up in a landlocked African dictatorship would probably exclude one from any chance at being an NHL superstar too?What you also fail to specify is that all sports are not readily open to anyone in any class or stature since some sports are costly to participate in, i.e. hockey, golf, many olympic level sports etc.
So, the only way your exhaustive and general statement holds true is if all sports are created equal, and are open to anyone in any class or stature.
I'm not taking that for granted, I concede that there has been the odd "Mozart" or genius case and a few shit-house luck got rich success stories out there but for the most part what I am saying that is so rare its hardly worth mentioning...What you also take for granted is the ability to move into big business without having much stature nor being part of an affluent social class. If an individual is endowed with great intelligence and an innovative mind, that person can conquer big business without being born into affluence.
Maybe, but they are arguments while what you seem to be doing is cherry pick to suit yourself, and bury people in esoteric language preloaded with condescension and derision.Your arguments really are terrible and inconsistent. You bend your argument to appease the situation, but you still fail to realize that your entire form of argumentation has been fatally flawed throughout this discussion.
which is a shame because for the most part your arguments would be more entertaining and enlightening without the backhandedness.