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RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:21 pm
by Tciso
Philly's Jakub Voracek is a 22 yr old RFA putting up 50 points per for the last 3 seasons. If Philly gets Weber, they are hard against the Cap.

Should the Canucks make an offer? 3 years in the 3 million per range. Not a center, but a good young player for a 2nd round pick. Just out of Philly's reach, imo. I know they have tendered a qualifying offer, so I don't know what that does.

"$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick"

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:29 pm
by Lancer
Why not? Depends on what comes out of all this. More dominoes in need of falling...

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:10 pm
by clem
Voracek is interesting. So is the RFA option in general.

I'd prefer to go for the gusto. Offer Evander Kane 36m$ over 6 yrs, with a sizable chunk of that in bonus money.

We may have to trade assets to the Peg to have the deal completed, but he can definitely help us.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:24 pm
by RoyalDude
clem wrote:Voracek is interesting. So is the RFA option in general.

I'd prefer to go for the gusto. Offer Evander Kane 36m$ over 6 yrs, with a sizable chunk of that in bonus money.

We may have to trade assets to the Peg to have the deal completed, but he can definitely help us.
Do you honestly think Mike 'the fence sitter' Gillis has the brass balls to make such an offer? He's too busy trying to find the next Manny Malhotra and Chris Higgins, real game breakers.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:32 pm
by Boston Canucker
RoyalDude wrote:
clem wrote:Voracek is interesting. So is the RFA option in general.

I'd prefer to go for the gusto. Offer Evander Kane 36m$ over 6 yrs, with a sizable chunk of that in bonus money.

We may have to trade assets to the Peg to have the deal completed, but he can definitely help us.
Do you honestly think Mike 'the fence sitter' Gillis has the brass balls to make such an offer? He's too busy trying to find the next Manny Malhotra and Chris Higgins, real game breakers.
He made an offer sheet to David Backes, so if he was interested why wouldn't he?

As it concerns Kane, whether he is worth such a deal right now is seriously open to question.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:44 pm
by SKYO
Obviously Nashville will retaliate and sign Voracek to a 5 year - $4.5M per offersheet, as soon as they match Weber's offersheet.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:55 pm
by Jovocop
SKYO wrote:Obviously Nashville will retaliate and sign Voracek to a 5 year - $4.5M per offersheet, as soon as they match Weber's offersheet.
Not just Nashville, but other GMs should try to sign Philly's RFA now.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:30 pm
by Mondi
RoyalDude wrote:
clem wrote:Voracek is interesting. So is the RFA option in general.

I'd prefer to go for the gusto. Offer Evander Kane 36m$ over 6 yrs, with a sizable chunk of that in bonus money.

We may have to trade assets to the Peg to have the deal completed, but he can definitely help us.
Do you honestly think Mike 'the fence sitter' Gillis has the brass balls to make such an offer? He's too busy trying to find the next Manny Malhotra and Chris Higgins, real game breakers.
Mike Gillis and Brian Burke remind me of each other.

Either you build for the future or you go all in for today, but not both.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:05 am
by surreal78
Boston Canucker wrote:
RoyalDude wrote: o you honestly think Mike 'the fence sitter' Gillis has the brass balls to make such an offer? He's too busy trying to find the next Manny Malhotra and Chris Higgins, real game breakers.
He made an offer sheet to David Backes, so if he was interested why wouldn't he?

As it concerns Kane, whether he is worth such a deal right now is seriously open to question.
Hey, conveniently forgetting important facts is part of the game here!

On that note, I think we're missing Boothus Christ and Baltard references. 8-)

Seriously, though, Voracek has always impressed me. Good numbers for a young guy, too. However much I'd like this to happen, nothing is going down until after Weber and Doan are done.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:08 am
by FAN
Mondi wrote: Mike Gillis and Brian Burke remind me of each other.

Either you build for the future or you go all in for today, but not both.
How so? Care to name some moves where Gillis went all in for today and some moves where he built for the future? Not exactly sure what you're getting at.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:04 am
by Boston Canucker
Mondi wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
clem wrote:Voracek is interesting. So is the RFA option in general.

I'd prefer to go for the gusto. Offer Evander Kane 36m$ over 6 yrs, with a sizable chunk of that in bonus money.

We may have to trade assets to the Peg to have the deal completed, but he can definitely help us.
Do you honestly think Mike 'the fence sitter' Gillis has the brass balls to make such an offer? He's too busy trying to find the next Manny Malhotra and Chris Higgins, real game breakers.
Mike Gillis and Brian Burke remind me of each other.

Either you build for the future or you go all in for today, but not both.
Four years ago, Burke and Gillis took over teams that had missed the playoffs, and since then the results of their work could not be more different. Yes, of course, Gillis came in with more to work with, but after 4 years he's got four div titles, 2 pres trophies, and as we tragically know, 1 game short of the Cup. We want more, as we should, but Burkey in 4 seasons can't even make the playoffs and seems to not even know what his plan is.

I've got issues with a number of Gillis' moves (Kassian better be the real deal, cause I'm not happy about losing Coho), but in the end this is a results based business, after 4 years (enough time for a GM to make a difference I'd suggest) Gillis is getting them and Burke is not...I also think the build or go all in is a false dichotomy, Detroit has both built and cup contended for years; the idea that you have to choose is false.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:07 am
by dbr
Chris Pronger's NHL career is over, the Flyers have $5m more cap space than it appears.

And as much as I like Jakub Voracek (big guy, good along the walls, distributes the puck well - sounds like a great fit with Kesler and Booth) it would take $5m or more to have the Flyers even thinking about allowing him to walk and I don't think he'll be worth that money any time soon.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:00 am
by Lancer
dbr wrote:Chris Pronger's NHL career is over, the Flyers have $5m more cap space than it appears.

And as much as I like Jakub Voracek (big guy, good along the walls, distributes the puck well - sounds like a great fit with Kesler and Booth) it would take $5m or more to have the Flyers even thinking about allowing him to walk and I don't think he'll be worth that money any time soon.
Depending on what the new CBA looks like, a $5 mill/yr contract for a young forward like Voracek may or may not seem reasonable. That said, considering what Holmgren's done and the calibre of team he may have if Weber does go to Philly it might be worth it for Gillis to throw a $4-5 mill/yr deal at Voracek even if only to screw Holmgren's cap state when they match. Given that the new CBA may radically close the RFA options, you may as well fuck with Holmgren while you have the option to do so. He seemingly has no compunctions about doing the same to others.

Worse comes to worst, you have a big young forward with skills who could be a good fit on the 2nd line.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:06 am
by Tciso
dbr wrote:Chris Pronger's NHL career is over, the Flyers have $5m more cap space than it appears.
I don't think they have the $$. Even with Pronger retiring, he has a 35+ contract. They are on the hook for him. As far as I can tell, they won't have a nickle to spend after Weber is signed.

"What's a 35-plus contract?

Players who sign multi-year contracts when they are age 35 or older (calculated on June 30 of the season the contract begins) count toward the cap under all circumstances, regardless of where (or if) the player is playing. The only cap relief is $100,000 from the player's cap hit if he is assigned to the minors after the first year of the contract.

CBA reference: Section 50.5 (d-i-B-5) (P. 203) " CapGeek.Com

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:07 am
by Rede
Tciso wrote:
dbr wrote:Chris Pronger's NHL career is over, the Flyers have $5m more cap space than it appears.
I don't think they have the $$. Even with Pronger retiring, he has a 35+ contract. They are on the hook for him. As far as I can tell, they won't have a nickle to spend after Weber is signed.

"What's a 35-plus contract?

Players who sign multi-year contracts when they are age 35 or older (calculated on June 30 of the season the contract begins) count toward the cap under all circumstances, regardless of where (or if) the player is playing. The only cap relief is $100,000 from the player's cap hit if he is assigned to the minors after the first year of the contract.

CBA reference: Section 50.5 (d-i-B-5) (P. 203) " CapGeek.Com
What if he didnt retire but was on LTIR until his contract expires?