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Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:08 am
by ESQ
Just to play devil's advocate, had the Canucks acquired Voracek with an offer sheet at $4.25 million, we would have given up a 1st and a 3rd.

To acquire Booth at the same salary and a 3rd, we gave up Sturm and Sammuelson.

Last season Voracek scored 2 more goals than Booth in 20 more games.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:28 am
by Aaronp18
ESQ wrote:Just to play devil's advocate, had the Canucks acquired Voracek with an offer sheet at $4.25 million, we would have given up a 1st and a 3rd.

To acquire Booth at the same salary and a 3rd, we gave up Sturm and Sammuelson.

Last season Voracek scored 2 more goals than Booth in 20 more games.
Even better we know that Philly would have matched a $4.25M offer sheet so we would have likely had to offer something more.

Say between $5,046,585 to $6,728,781.

Where the compensation is - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd.

Does anyone really wonder why offer sheets aren't handed out regularly especially with the cap going up every year and so many teams with significant cap space.

The only way I can see these working (without screwing your own team over with a ridiculous contract and overcompensation) is to target teams with RFA's that are close to the cap.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:43 am
by herb
Offer sheets are stupid. Only one attempt has been successful over the past 15 years, and if you ask most Oiler fans they will tell you it wasn't really successful at all.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:23 pm
by Chef Boi RD
ESQ wrote:Just to play devil's advocate, had the Canucks acquired Voracek with an offer sheet at $4.25 million, we would have given up a 1st and a 3rd.

To acquire Booth at the same salary and a 3rd, we gave up Sturm and Sammuelson.

Last season Voracek scored 2 more goals than Booth in 20 more games.
No offense my friend, but at 23 years of age, Voracek is already a far more dynamic hockey player than the 28 year old dumb blonde will ever be.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:25 pm
by Chef Boi RD
herb wrote:Offer sheets are stupid. Only one attempt has been successful over the past 15 years, and if you ask most Oiler fans they will tell you it wasn't really successful at all.
I love Offer Sheets.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:28 pm
by ESQ
One that I thought was close was the Vanek offer sheet.

I just looked back - the compensation would have been 4 first-round draft picks :shock:

It never occurred to me before, but my god Regier must be kicking himself over that one!

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:33 pm
by herb
RoyalDude wrote:
herb wrote:Offer sheets are stupid. Only one attempt has been successful over the past 15 years, and if you ask most Oiler fans they will tell you it wasn't really successful at all.
I love Offer Sheets.
Why? Because they generally accomplish very little?

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:12 am
by FAN
herb wrote:Offer sheets are stupid. Only one attempt has been successful over the past 15 years, and if you ask most Oiler fans they will tell you it wasn't really successful at all.
Offer sheets aren't stupid per se, it's just that as the salary cap went up, the dollar scale for compensation also went up. If they ever adjust the offer sheet compensation scale in the new CBA, offer sheets can be a potent weapon again. If you look at the RFA compensation tables for the 2006 season, compensation for an offer sheet worth $4M a year would have been 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. If say Vorachek a team offered Voracheck a $4M offer last season (he made $2.25M last season) and the compensation was 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd, would you take it? I probably would have taken the compensation.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:26 am
by Vader
FAN wrote:
herb wrote:Offer sheets are stupid. Only one attempt has been successful over the past 15 years, and if you ask most Oiler fans they will tell you it wasn't really successful at all.
Offer sheets aren't stupid per se, it's just that as the salary cap went up, the dollar scale for compensation also went up. If they ever adjust the offer sheet compensation scale in the new CBA, offer sheets can be a potent weapon again. If you look at the RFA compensation tables for the 2006 season, compensation for an offer sheet worth $4M a year would have been 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. If say Vorachek a team offered Voracheck a $4M offer last season (he made $2.25M last season) and the compensation was 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd, would you take it? I probably would have taken the compensation.
$4M was slightly under 10% of the Cap in 2006.Of course you would take the compensation for a guy like Voracek because no sane GM would spend 10% of his cap on that player.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:26 am
by Jovocop
FAN wrote:
herb wrote:Offer sheets are stupid. Only one attempt has been successful over the past 15 years, and if you ask most Oiler fans they will tell you it wasn't really successful at all.
Offer sheets aren't stupid per se, it's just that as the salary cap went up, the dollar scale for compensation also went up. If they ever adjust the offer sheet compensation scale in the new CBA, offer sheets can be a potent weapon again. If you look at the RFA compensation tables for the 2006 season, compensation for an offer sheet worth $4M a year would have been 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. If say Vorachek a team offered Voracheck a $4M offer last season (he made $2.25M last season) and the compensation was 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd, would you take it? I probably would have taken the compensation.
Seriously, who would offer 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Voracek? He is not a franchise player.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:44 am
by herb
Jovocop wrote:Seriously, who would offer 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Voracek? He is not a franchise player.
An impatient GM with big balls who slays deals left right and center would!

A moron also would likely do the same.

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:00 am
by Jovocop
herb wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Seriously, who would offer 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Voracek? He is not a franchise player.
An impatient GM with big balls who slays deals left right and center would!

A moron also would likely do the same.
:lol:

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:09 pm
by FAN
Jovocop wrote: Seriously, who would offer 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Voracek? He is not a franchise player.
A team who is perennially drafting in the late 20s in the first round of the NHL draft? Probably work out to be a good deal for a few teams. Red Wings perhaps?

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:25 pm
by surreal78
herb wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Seriously, who would offer 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Voracek? He is not a franchise player.
An impatient GM with big balls who slays deals left right and center would!

A moron also would likely do the same.
:lol:

Re: RFA Voracek

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:51 pm
by Chef Boi RD
Jovocop wrote: Seriously, who would offer 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Voracek? He is not a franchise player.
There are not many things in life that are guaranteed but one thing for certain is, if you replaced the name Voracek with David 'the heathen' Booth, you Jovocop most certainly would have no problem giving up 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for David 'the airhead' Booth.