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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Fred » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 pm

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SKYO wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Are we about to embark on another old man Sundin/Messier experiment gone expensively wrong? But I guess it's the 'mentoring' that we are paying for, not the on-ice product for what monies are being paid out for those services provided in return of.

Well at least he'd be an improvement on Kassian for the time being and Doan can probably be the only player other than just Burrows who can play well with the twins as well.


I would be expecting similar results as to what Ryan Smyth provided when he went back to Edmonton. Good in spots, but disappearing from the grind for stretch's. Old Man Father Time is a vicious dude. I know, I'm in my 40's, I am awfully close to ordering up a batch of Cialis.



Did no one watch the Phx-LA series ? Doan was far from being a lack lustre player. He was a player with an edge
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Reefer2 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:16 am

Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process


At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:41 am

Reefer2 wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process


At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.


+1

Doan would arguably be the 5th best forward on the Canucks (some would put him behind Burr). He's not worth $6M/4years, 7M is a laugher.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Fred » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:07 am

Reefer2 wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process


At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.



I understand we are all, blessed/cursed with the WASP mentality but is the money coming from your pockets ? and do we have the Cap space to cover the cost of Doan ? and I think the answer is respectively NO & YES
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby SKYO » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:11 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:Doan would arguably be the 5th best forward on the Canucks (some would put him behind Burr). He's not worth $6M/4years, 7M is a laugher.


4 years for $5M per.
As he will not be making more than RK17.

Plus Doan will get that job security he wants for his la familia.

If cap is of concern, Ballard will be a bit of a commodity for teams looking for a top4 LD who is a two way type dman.

And Manny can be bought out if worse comes to worse.

Anyways Gilman/MG can handle that shit np.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Jovocop » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:19 am

SKYO wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:Doan would arguably be the 5th best forward on the Canucks (some would put him behind Burr). He's not worth $6M/4years, 7M is a laugher.


4 years for $5M per.
As he will not be making more than RK17.

Plus Doan will get that job security he wants for his la familia.

If cap is of concern, Ballard will be a bit of a commodity for teams looking for a top4 LD who is a two way type dman.

And Manny can be bought out if worse comes to worse.

Anyways Gilman/MG can handle that shit np.


MG could offer Doan the moon but he still might not choose the Canucks...
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby vic » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:29 am

Fred wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process


At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.



I understand we are all, blessed/cursed with the WASP mentality but is the money coming from your pockets ? and do we have the Cap space to cover the cost of Doan ? and I think the answer is respectively NO & YES


+1

As soon as Canuck fans give money to the organization (be it from buying tickets to the game, buying food/drinks at Roger's Arena, buy a jersey...etc), that money belongs to Aqualinni and Co - what they decide to do with it should be none of your concern. If you don't like how they are spending the money you give them, then stop supporting the team.

If you gave your friend $1000 to help him out with some bills and he went out and blew it all at the casino, how likely are you to give him money the next time he asks? Same thing applies here.

For all you know, that $500 you dished out for tickets, parking, food, beer and a Canuck Flag could have gone to pay Fin's salary, yet nobody complains when Fin doesn't come to visit them at the arena...

For everyone else who goes on a rant about the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Hamuis ..etc taking home-town discounts to play here so the team can be more competitive, well this is the reason they took their discounts - when the team needs to spend money to get a player that can potentially put them over the top they have the money to do so. Imagine if the Sedins were each making 7mil, Kelser signed for 6, Burrows for 3.5, Hamuis for 6 - we wouldn't even be talking about Shane Doan. The team would have had a hard enough time to re-sign Cory Schneider.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Strangelove » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:45 pm

vic wrote:For everyone else who goes on a rant about the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Hamuis ..etc taking home-town discounts to play here so the team can be more competitive, well this is the reason they took their discounts - when the team needs to spend money to get a player that can potentially put them over the top they have the money to do so.


Someone gets it.

There comes a time to bring in an overpaid player (fuckin misers around here).

Moneypuck only takes you so far....
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby dbr » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:29 pm

I'd happily overpay for Shane Doan.

But he has to choose whether he wants it in the form of money or term. I'd give him $6-7m per on a two year deal, but a four year contract? No thanks. Not without knowing what happens in the next CBA anyways.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:42 pm

I guess that's the million dollar question here, money aside, can Doan still play? I would luv to see the Canucks get him and I think he'll still be a good player for 2 years, but pushing 3-4 years, I'd hesitate to add him.



Strangelove wrote:
vic wrote:For everyone else who goes on a rant about the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Hamuis ..etc taking home-town discounts to play here so the team can be more competitive, well this is the reason they took their discounts - when the team needs to spend money to get a player that can potentially put them over the top they have the money to do so.


Someone gets it.

There comes a time to bring in an overpaid player (fuckin misers around here).

Moneypuck only takes you so far....
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Canuck-One » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:59 pm

Doan is the only power forward on the market. Why oh why do so many of you worry about Aquaman's money? He knows what he is doing. Don't worry about the salary structure of the team that's Gillis' job. Go get him and then hope Burrows can ignite line 2.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Boston Canucker » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Canuck-One wrote:Doan is the only power forward on the market. Why oh why do so many of you worry about Aquaman's money? He knows what he is doing. Don't worry about the salary structure of the team that's Gillis' job. Go get him and then hope Burrows can ignite line 2.


If there was no salary cap I wouldn't care, and I don't care as it concerns his wallet, not at all. But in the salary cap era the salary and term has to be part of the conversation due its ripple effects. Yes, it is Gillis' job, but so is everything else and we all are not the least bit hesistent to comment on that. I'd say Doan at a max of a 3yrs @ 6 mill. is what the Canucks should stick to, and I have a difficult time seeing Gillis pay Doan more than the Sedins.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Gino's Knuckle » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:36 pm

Boston Canucker wrote:
Canuck-One wrote:Doan is the only power forward on the market. Why oh why do so many of you worry about Aquaman's money? He knows what he is doing. Don't worry about the salary structure of the team that's Gillis' job. Go get him and then hope Burrows can ignite line 2.


If there was no salary cap I wouldn't care, and I don't care as it concerns his wallet, not at all. But in the salary cap era the salary and term has to be part of the conversation due its ripple effects. Yes, it is Gillis' job, but so is everything else and we all are not the least bit hesistent to comment on that. I'd say Doan at a max of a 3yrs @ 6 mill. is what the Canucks should stick to, and I have a difficult time seeing Gillis pay Doan more than the Sedins.


Agreed, BC, it isn't the money that he will be paid in the sense of dollars out-of-pocket that is the concern, it is the portion of cap that will be affected by said dollars. Depending on how the new CBA affects the cap, there is a risk that a large Doan contract over several years could be preventative in resigning players like Edler, Burrows and even the Sedins (after 13-14) as well as signing other UFAs. At the price and length we are hearing now (assuming there is fire behind the smoke) I don't see the risk/reward ratio being worthwhile.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Canuck-One » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:02 pm

I understand those concerns but I still say go get him. If he is the piece that finishes the puzzle then why not. There are others younger stronger and better scorers but none of them are available for just money, so....
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Gino's Knuckle » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:18 pm

Canuck-One wrote: If he is the piece that finishes the puzzle then why not.


I agree, I just question whether he is "the piece that finishes the puzzle". If he isn't, then we end up with an albatross of a contract for a four year term. If he could put us over the top and bring us a cup, I would do that at pretty much any price to the future. Given that is not at all a certainty, I am hesitant to do something that may sacrifice the future.
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