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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Potatoe1 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:11 am

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None of the Coyotes' centremen scored more than 40 points in 2011/12. Is it safe to assume that Doan will get more points playing along the Sedins?


Ray Whitney played with the same centers and out scored Doan by 27 points.

Like I said I think he's a good fit here and would love to have him, but he's being way over rated by Fans and Media and I also think he is a good bet to regress significantly over the next 4 years. In fact I really don't expect him even to be in the league at 40.

How much fun would it be to eat a 5 to 7 mill cap hit for a guy who cant even play on our 4th line.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:22 am

7 plus million for 4 years? Serious? Hahaha

Here's a perfect example of the best moves are the ones you don't make.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Boston Canucker » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:26 am

3 years at 6 mill is probably the upper limit the Canucks should go, I could see MG setting a ceiling such as that. Even then, a risk, but not having a 4th year is a big deal for an over 35 year old and I don't see him getting paid a million more than the Sedins. Doan would be a very good addition, but he's not a Weber, a young game changer. If these demands are true, then he's not coming to Van...
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 am

Gotta agree with Potatoe here.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:05 am

Boston Canucker wrote:3 years at 6 mill is probably the upper limit the Canucks should go, I could see MG setting a ceiling such as that. Even then, a risk, but not having a 4th year is a big deal for an over 35 year old and I don't see him getting paid a million more than the Sedins. Doan would be a very good addition, but he's not a Weber, a young game changer. If these demands are true, then he's not coming to Van...

Exactly. The Canucks have instated a successful salary structure that they don't waver from. An exception could be made without upsetting guys IF it would be for an exceptional player. Doan isn't that exceptional, especially for 7.5.

Good luck resigning anyone for less than market value when you start overpaying like that.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby dbr » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:16 pm

I might give Doan $30m (of someone else's money) over four years if I could structure it 14, 10, 4, 2 with the right to trade him to the Phoenix Coyotes at any time and any team from a list of five to seven of his choosing after the first season. Load the first two years of the deal with signing bonuses so that a year from now there's three seasons and about $9m remaining.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Fred » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:21 pm

The fact is unless we get some one of Doans ilk we ain't going any where in the play-offs. We need an alternate look, our current team has been a dollar short and a day late
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Strangelove » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:25 pm

Mondi wrote:The point of the comparison, was to highlight the absurdity of what Shane Doan has been made out to be over the past 2 months.


Actually the comparison itself was the epitome of absurdity.

It's perfectly fine to hold the opinion that Doan isn't worth the kind of years/dollars being talked about.

But it is positively undeniably moronic to raise a Raymond-Doan comparison.

That is all.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Canuck-One » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:56 pm

dbr wrote:I might give Doan $30m (of someone else's money) over four years if I could structure it 14, 10, 4, 2 with the right to trade him to the Phoenix Coyotes at any time and any team from a list of five to seven of his choosing after the first season. Load the first two years of the deal with signing bonuses so that a year from now there's three seasons and about $9m remaining.



I like this structuring if it's possible. Two quality years and then a trade if he isn't keeping up.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby ESQ » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:32 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:Good luck resigning anyone for less than market value when you start overpaying like that.

I agree with the sentiment on Doan, but I don't agree that overpaying a free agent impacts re-signing at all. Sedins, Kesler, Bieksa, and Hansen were all signed after the Canucks paid Sundin $10 million (pro-rated) for 28 points in the regular season and 8 points in the post-season.

The problem isn't that Doan isn't the player we want, he just doesn't fit with that contract. And frankly, he's just not worth gutting the team to fit him under the cap.

He's looking for the biggest contract of his career at 35, and he just might get it, but not from the Canucks.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby alexBF » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:07 pm

The idea of $30mill over 4 years makes Jagr's 4.5mill 1 year deal seem like a steal.

I would have loved to have Jagr at 4.5mill
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby Topper » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:27 pm

The better comparable in Vancouver's lineup is Alex Burrows.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby FAN » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:38 pm

Potatoe1 wrote:I have been watching Doan since Jr, And his skating has never been a strength. There were questions about his skating when he was drafted, and questions about his ability to keep up on the big ice at the 2010 Olympics, which were a big reason he wasn't selected (despite always playing at the worlds almost every year).

Sure Pot. The ice was so big at the 2010 Olympics :roll: that there were concerns that Doan couldn't keep up.


Potatoe1 wrote:Hey how about for the sake of my sanity you resist the urge to respond to everything I write.

Have you considered that the reason I respond to what you wrote is because you quote and respond to everything I write even when my post was simply a subjective IMO-type disagreement? You would even respond when I agreed with your points but disagreed with a single thing you said. It's like you can't stand to be disagreed with.

And you know this is a discussion board. If you want to write something and not having someone comment and or question it, then go and write a blog and turn comments off. ;)
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby FAN » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:50 pm

coco_canuck wrote:My sanity is fine btw, but I'm tired of the pointless debate after pointless debate with said poster.

You know it's not called a pointless debate when you completely miss the point and argument and continue to debate. :roll:


coco_canuck wrote:There were too many to count over at Central, but in the spirit of a new start, I ventured into another discussion with this poster, much to my regret obviously.

I was at Central when you first joined and you came in with the nice guy routine. I guess you've decided that you're now an established poster and can be a bully. Ah well. Some people are like that.


coco_canuck wrote:IMO, even if MG is going to overpay and give Doan some term, there's absolutely no way MG offers Doan as much as the Sedins make, let alone more.

Articles I've read suggested that Doan is interested in term and money. Globe and Mail reported that Doan is looking for 4 years at $30M. So it looks Doan is interested in the biggest total package not interested in a 1-2 year deal even if it pays him $10M a year. So I don't think Doan is even looking for Sedin money. His interested in the total money package and Doan probably feels that signing a 1-2 year deal won't get Doan the $30M he seeks over the course of the next 4 years.
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Re: Shane Doan

Postby surreal78 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:34 am

FAN wrote:
coco_canuck wrote:There were too many to count over at Central, but in the spirit of a new start, I ventured into another discussion with this poster, much to my regret obviously.


I was at Central when you first joined and you came in with the nice guy routine. I guess you've decided that you're now an established poster and can be a bully. Ah well. Some people are like that.


How's about we get back on track with the Doan discussion? I'm starting to think RD is actually more on topic than all of you combined.

I can pretty much guarantee that I've been through at least double the internet/pre-Internet/BBS flame wars all of you have participated in put together, but no one wants to hear about it. Same thing goes for bringing your CC baggage over here. It's old news and no one cares about your age-old beefs from a long-defunct site. It's irritating as hell (not capitalized for RD's pleasure) to see threads get completely derailed by the same crap on yet another site I'm trying to lurk quietly(-ish).

Stick to the topic, and please, for the sake of all of us casual observers, take your personal bullshit elsewhere... like Facebook, where you can critique each other less anonymously and your wives can give you shit about it. :)
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