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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby tantalum » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:25 am

Jovocop wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Lets me just say, that if Mike Gillis does not have one player that his regime drafted in the line-up next season...I WILL NEVER WATCH ANOTHER CANUCK GAME AGAIN!!!!


Are you serious?? :lol:


I hope so.

Of course he did have a drafted player on the team lats year who he traded for a guy drafted the year after but that doesn't count in RDs world.

He also had two guys he signed as rookie free agents from college in the lineup last year but of course that can't be counted either.

Luckily Schroeder will likely be in the lineup for the canucks next year but I'm sure that won't count because it is only due to a Kesler injury or something.

Of course Lack might be ready to be a backup for the canucks but given he's not a starter that likely won't count. It certainly won't count if he's good enough but they want him to have a #1 workload in the AHL. Oh wait that won't count anyways because Gillis didn't draft him but rather signed him as a free agent.

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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby black ace » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:37 am

People love to emphasize Gillis' poor drafting but at the end of the day as long as the team stays at the top of the league and adds players like Tanev (undrafted free agent) Lack (undrafted free agent) or guys like Hamhuis and Garrison (UFA) without having to give up anything its essentially the same thing. Assets for nothing but cap space.

Maybe you can say draft picks are cheaper for a few years but with bonuses having to count and guys getting bigger 2nd contracts that isint as much a factor as it used to be imo.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby wafflecombine » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:04 pm

tantalum wrote:
Jovocop wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Lets me just say, that if Mike Gillis does not have one player that his regime drafted in the line-up next season...I WILL NEVER WATCH ANOTHER CANUCK GAME AGAIN!!!!


Are you serious?? :lol:


I hope so.

Of course he did have a drafted player on the team lats year who he traded for a guy drafted the year after but that doesn't count in RDs world.

He also had two guys he signed as rookie free agents from college in the lineup last year but of course that can't be counted either.

Luckily Schroeder will likely be in the lineup for the canucks next year but I'm sure that won't count because it is only due to a Kesler injury or something.

Of course Lack might be ready to be a backup for the canucks but given he's not a starter that likely won't count. It certainly won't count if he's good enough but they want him to have a #1 workload in the AHL. Oh wait that won't count anyways because Gillis didn't draft him but rather signed him as a free agent.

etc


This was easily solved back during the playoffs. Schneids is now our #1 goalie. We drafted him, he will be in the lineup next season. Easy rant for RD when the conditions for success were already predetermined.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby BingoTough » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:06 pm

The Oilers are awesome. They drafted RNH, Yakupov and Hall. Three guaranteed superstars who will all play in the NHL next year.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Callicles » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:14 pm

The Canucks, as a franchise, have a generally poor drafting record. There are, of course, some exceptions, but in general the team has not been impressive at the draft. That said, I really think drafting is often overrated. But, before you jump all over me, I'm not saying it's not important, but rather that there's a lot that goes in to it and it often takes a long time to tell if you've done well or not. Unless you're drafting high and getting a player that is almost a sure thing, the future is very uncertain. As for the later picks, the system of development, the organizational attitude, and a lot of chance (remember, we're talking about 'kids') goes in to it.

I judge Gillis based on the moves he's made, primarily some pretty decent contracts, and the moves he has not made. He's not gone out and thrown buckets of money at people just for the sake of making a splash. Nor has he caved to pressure to sign playes that used to be franchise players. However, I have two major criticisms of Gillis. The 1st is that he didn't fire AV when he was hired. I know, the Canucks have done fairly well in the regular season since then, and even to the 7th game of the Stanley Cup final, but I think that, if not for AV's blunders, they would have reached that position sooner and, perhaps, even have beaten Boston in 2011 and, surely, LA in 2012. But, it's not a thread about AV. The second criticism is that he seems to refuse to face the reality of how the NHL is officiated. Personally, I love a fast, hard hitting, whistle to whistle team with lots of skill, and that is what Gillis has tried to build (though, perhaps not hard hitting enough). However, the further in to the playoffs a team progresses, the more this approach is penalized. It's just a fact about the world that refs swallow whistles in the playoffs, so it just won't work to play all skill, no tough and punish them on the powerplay. I'd like to see it called consistently from October to June, but it isn't, hasn't been, and won't be, so face that reality and make the necessary changes. Let us not forget you have to be able to score on the powerplay and, more importantly, there have to actually be powerplays.

Gillis is a bit of an idealist. On the one hand that's a good thing, such as sticking to principles around what he's willing to pay a player or what represents sensible term. On the other hand, refusing to recognize the necessity of toughness and players with a mean-sterak, has cost this team.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Jovocop » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:42 pm

wafflecombine wrote:This was easily solved back during the playoffs. Schneids is now our #1 goalie. We drafted him, he will be in the lineup next season. Easy rant for RD when the conditions for success were already predetermined.


Nonis picked Schneider not Gilllis. Therefore, RD will never watch another Canuck game again... :lol:
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby dbr » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:48 pm

In fairness I believe RD was poking fun at another fan's comments with that remark.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:20 pm

Gillis sucks........I'm done watching this team.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Per » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:31 am

Callicles wrote:I know, the Canucks have done fairly well in the regular season since then


:lol:

I notice you are a believer in the power of understatement.

"fairly well in the regular season", eh?

:lol:

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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby RoyalDude » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:13 pm

What do we do about Gillis? How do we wake him from this never-ending slumber he seems to be in with those suitcases under his eyes like he is lacking sleep due to a lousy mattress his wife bought at Sleep Country. He just doesn't seem to be on the ball, and I ain't talkin' Rick Ball, otherwise known as the Baller. He just seems to be asleep at the wheel of this rudderless ship. He is lacking a course, a direction. He needs top map out a plan, a game plan like ol' War Room Holmgren over there on Broad Street just slaying deals left right and centre never letting sleeping dogs lie. Where is Gillis going with this? I have complete faith in him to find another Manny Malhotra to man the 3rd line centre position, he will be a good in the dressing room and community, speak well in interviews, be adored by fans and fans will cheer for him but what is lost in this love for such a limited offensive player is the ability to see the player for what he really is, a farce. But hey, lets keep winning the Presidents Trophy and fill this team with the Higgins, Pahlssons, Malhotra's, Lappieres, Booths of the world cause come the playoffs those guys are who you count on to phone it in.

Somebody wake me when Gillis finally trades Luongo for a fantastic 3rd line centre with a great skill set at shutting down the other teams stars. The next AV favorite son.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby CFP! » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:43 pm

RoyalDude wrote: He just doesn't seem to be on the ball, and I ain't talkin' Rick Ball, otherwise known as the Baller.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You listen to the TEAM too much. Or CFAX....lol
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Madcombinepilot » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:40 pm

He needs top map out a plan, a game plan like ol' War Room


is it that he needs a plan, which he obviously has, or that he needs a plan that mirrors your plan?

RD, you can smoke, rant, rave and talk shit all you want, but lets face it. If you were a better GM than Gillis, you would have the job.

You don't.

Your just a cranky, sad, melacholy, cowardly human who takes all his personal real life shit out on another human using a faceless sounding board with no accountability. I hope this makes you feel better, but some of us wih you would just crawl away.
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Fred » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:03 pm

Tell us what you really think. The guy doesn't like MG, swims upstream but frankly I often get bored with flock approach. Counter thinkers often turn up some truths ;) I think MG would approve of his approach, because there's a lot of counter thinker in MG
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby Cornuck » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:04 pm

Fred wrote:Tell us what you really think. The guy doesn't like MG, swims upstream but frankly I often get bored with flock approach. Counter thinkers often turn up some truths ;)


True, but sometimes you need to reset the needle on a broken record...
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Re: Gillis. Who is He?

Postby rats19 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:10 pm

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