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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Per » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:10 am

Strangelove wrote:"Lies, damn lies, and statistics."
I dunno Per this list of death rate per country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_so ... death_rate
... tells me the death rate of Americans is LESS than that of Swedes!
So what does it all mean??
Are Swedes falling down open manhole shafts?
Are Swedes killing off other Swedes with hard-to-detect poisons (murders deemed "natural causes")?
Are incompetent Swedish cops finding bodies beaten to death with rocks and ruling these deaths "suicide"?
Are a high percentage of Swedes being struck dead by God?
I dunno, fuckin stats eh Per? :drink:
Personally I'd rather be shot to death than beaten to death with a rock but that's for another thread....

Just to add a little perspective.
http://www2.macleans.ca/tag/homicide/
Murders per 100,000 population:
1. Honduras 82.1
2. El Salvador 66
3. Ivory Coast 56.9
4. Jamaica 52.1
5. Venezuela 49
6. Belize 41.7
7. Guatemala 41.4
8. St. Kitts and Nevis 38.2
9. Zambia 38
10. Uganda 36.3
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103. United States of America 5
150. Canada 1.8

No wonder Topper has seen so much violence in his day!


Hilarious! :lol:

Yes, Sweden has a much older population than the US, which proves exactly what?
If you think the crude death rate is a measure of well being, then Gaza is the place to be, eh? :roll:

And yes, US homicide rates compare favourably with Africa and South America. The point being?
To me Canada, the UK and Sweden seemed like more relevant comparissons. Especially Canada, that shares the same continent and culture but has stricter gun laws.

So, tell me again, what are you trying to prove? :drink:

Rather than the crude death rate, which of course will be higher for countries with a higher median age, it could be interesting to look at life expectancy, which is 80.9 for Sweden, 80.7 for Canada, 80.1 for the UK with their fatty foods and 78.2 for the USA.* Do the Auroras, Columbines and Newtowns contribute to this discrepancy, or is it all because of a lack of national health care?

Of course, for God's sake, feel free to point out that that's almost twice the life expectancy of Mocambique (39.2), but that's kind of beside the point. i doubt many Americans feel that's who they're competing against. :roll:

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*UN figures, 2005-2010. CIA numbers (estimate 2011) differ slightly: Canada 81.4, Sweden 81.1, UK 80.1, USA 78.4
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Per » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:14 am

Btw, Doc, just glancing at the homicide map you posted...

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So, just going by colours, Canada and Western Europe are in the lowest category, whereas the USA falls in the same category as Peru, Libya, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and India? Interesting. Now there is food for pause.... :|
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Topper » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:52 am

Per wrote:Peru, Libya, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and India? Interesting. Now there is food for pause.... :|

They have food?
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby the Dogsalmon » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:55 am

too bad lanza didnt visit the NHL/NHLPA talks ...there would be no downside to that show...
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Fred » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:09 pm

Apart from stats which personally have little impact on my life because they're about things that have happened ( past tense) why if so many people struggle with saving income for pensions and kids college do they have a need to spend money on a gun and ammunition ? Seriously what is the fascination, is there some primeval psychosis that drives people. It's not for personal or family safety because I still haven't had any one actually relate to me a time when they had the need to defend themselves with a gun. I need a car, I need a pension I don't need a gun. Can any one explain the deep down need to have a gun ? is it like owning a pit bull...image " hey I'm cool I own a gun "

As it's Christmas do you think people buy others guns as presents or maybe ammunition. and murmur Merry Christmas :lol: From what I recall it was gold, frankincense and myrrh. I never heard of assault rifles

:lol: :lol: I'm clearly missing some thing ( thankfully )
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Topper » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:22 pm

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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Fred » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:43 pm

Reduce peoples freedom, get the f**k outta here ( as george Carlin would say ). I don't lie awake at night worried about any need to have a gun. In my entire life I've never needed one .... and more than that I don't even know any one that needed one ...and that's a lot of people. It's an illusion and the big lobby groups and manufacturers play on it ad nausea. People are sold a pup, it's your right .... one of the rights I like is not to have to fear some idiot who thinks he's Al Capone coming around the corner blasting by standers and school children. I don't need a gun, few people if any need a gun.

The USA has 0.5% of the worlds population and 50% of all the guns ...no pun intended but isn't that a bit of overkill

I believe that most of the gang bangers up here get their guns from the USA, now that worries me. Even we would be safer without having a neighbour like the USA. If people think they need a gun maybe that in and of it`s self warrants them to be characterized mentally defective and excluded from owing a gun :lol:
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Cornuck » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:55 pm

Fred wrote:Reduce peoples freedom, get the f**k outta here ( as george Carlin would say ). I don't lie awake at night worried about any need to have a gun. In my entire life I've never needed one .... and more than that I don't even know any one that needed one ...and that's a lot of people. It's an illusion and the big lobby groups and manufacturers play on it ad nausea. People are sold a pup, it's your right .... one of the rights I like is not to have to fear some idiot who thinks he's Al Capone coming around the corner blasting by standers and school children. I don't need a gun, few people if any need a gun.


So because you don't want a gun, then nobody should have one? Too late for that. Ban all gun sales today? Won't make a difference. People have them, always will.

Suppose that you live in a small town like I do. The nearest police is 15-45 minutes away (hell, even a big city, the cops could take that long). They won't help one bit if someone breaks in to my home. Does make me feel safer to know where the shotgun is? Yep. You want to take that away? Get the fuck outta here.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Fred » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:55 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Fred wrote:Reduce peoples freedom, get the f**k outta here ( as george Carlin would say ). I don't lie awake at night worried about any need to have a gun. In my entire life I've never needed one .... and more than that I don't even know any one that needed one ...and that's a lot of people. It's an illusion and the big lobby groups and manufacturers play on it ad nausea. People are sold a pup, it's your right .... one of the rights I like is not to have to fear some idiot who thinks he's Al Capone coming around the corner blasting by standers and school children. I don't need a gun, few people if any need a gun.


So because you don't want a gun, then nobody should have one? Too late for that. Ban all gun sales today? Won't make a difference. People have them, always will.

Suppose that you live in a small town like I do. The nearest police is 15-45 minutes away (hell, even a big city, the cops could take that long). They won't help one bit if someone breaks in to my home. Does make me feel safer to know where the shotgun is? Yep. You want to take that away? Get the fuck outta here.



Cornuck the word your position hangs on is .... IF .... Well how about this, if pigs could fly we all better ware bigger hats :D This small town of your must be a haven for gun violence. I live in Vcr the capital of west coast drug imports and I can tell you as I've said ad nausea I have no need for a gun or friends neighbours what ever. Even in the Vcr East end gun violence is so so small. How many outrageous gun crimes happen in your small town to make you so fearful ? I have friends in St L who don't have guns and they seem to manage. I'm confident they don't lie and worry every night. Seems to me the entire premise is based on the boogey man. I feel bad for those that have psyched themselves out into this belief they MUST have a gun to be safe. Irrantional fear. I have only once had need to call the RCMP for a noisy house party and they took 30 minutes to arrive. No one was killed no one went nuts and no firearms were discharged. If it's as bad as you THINK your small town is, (A) have you had first hand knowledge of illegal gun play (B) if you have maybe it's time to take your family to a more family oriented country rather than believe you need an in house SWAT team at your disposal. (C) think of the number of accidents Usually to children with guns in a house.

I know the case of a 2 little girls playing with Dads shot gun blew the side of one of their faces off and another case when a guy cleaning his gun blew off his own arm now he only has one arm.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby rats19 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:48 pm

I don't trust a government that has zero deterent..please don't use votes as a comeback....north America has the largest armed force on earth. Civilian snipers outshoot military at long range shoots all the time.


Nobody here likes to see these massacres Fred.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Fred » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:40 pm

rats19 wrote:I don't trust a government that has zero deterent..please don't use votes as a comeback....north America has the largest armed force on earth. Civilian snipers outshoot military at long range shoots all the time.


Nobody here likes to see these massacres Fred.



Absolutely correct no one likes these massacres, but the question is how much are folks willing to fore go to improve a terrible series of events. How much will the guy in the street is willing to put the kids before their own selfish needs. The next massacre will people feel personal guilt in being part of the problem.

The NRA suggesting more police with more guns to protect schools ...nuts .... some schools have as many as 10-12 buildings, maybe more, plus football fields, gyms, residences, how many police would needed on campus and they have to be armed at least equal to the idiots that might enter the school, park, theatres, supermarket. Very soon the security will be larger than the armed services .....where does the more guns are needed people end. Will restaurants need armed guards, just imagine going out with your wife or family to a armory rather than a restaurant. If automatic rifles, which were intended for war zones are permitted why not as I've said Flame throwers, bazookas. People are just not rational about their fears. This isn't about rights, it's about doing the right thing. :scowl:
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Cornuck » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:51 pm

Yep. It's all about the "if", isn't it? Do I worry about violence where I live? No, not at all. But I do have a high profile home that 'could' draw attention to the wrong person. I'd rather have a deterrant than not. (My dogs deter most sober people)

I hope that I never need to point it at someone in my home, and hope you don't ever wish you had one in your home.

I'm not going to change your mind, Fred. It's not a debate, it's a discussion.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby okcanuck » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:00 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Fred wrote:Reduce peoples freedom, get the f**k outta here ( as george Carlin would say ). I don't lie awake at night worried about any need to have a gun. In my entire life I've never needed one .... and more than that I don't even know any one that needed one ...and that's a lot of people. It's an illusion and the big lobby groups and manufacturers play on it ad nausea. People are sold a pup, it's your right .... one of the rights I like is not to have to fear some idiot who thinks he's Al Capone coming around the corner blasting by standers and school children. I don't need a gun, few people if any need a gun.


So because you don't want a gun, then nobody should have one? Too late for that. Ban all gun sales today? Won't make a difference. People have them, always will.

Suppose that you live in a small town like I do. The nearest police is 15-4The shotgun can be used 5 minutes away (hell, even a big city, the cops could take that long). They won't help one bit if someone breaks in to my home. Does make me feel safer to know where the shotgun is? Yep. You want to take that away? Get the fuck outta here.



Theres nothing wrong with having a shotgun or a 30-30 in the house for protection. The shotgun can used for bird-hunting the 30-30 used to hunt deer or moose. I think Fred is talking about these assault rifles which can fire 6 rounds per second. You don't need one for protection and you certainly wouldn't use one for hunting unless you really like hamburger.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Cornuck » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:13 pm

I get the impression that Fred is talking abou all guns in home. We use our gun for skeet shooting, btw.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Topper » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:42 pm

okcanuck wrote:I think Fred is talking about these assault rifles which can fire 6 rounds per second.

Unless you can pull a trigger six times a second, those guns are illegal in Canada and only legal under extremely strict control in the US. They have also not been used in any of the recent mass murders.

No matter what the Bushmaster 223 looks like, it still only fires one projectile each time the trigger is pulled.

Educate yourselves a little folks.

By a 30-30, I believe you are talking about a lever action rifle. How fast do you think you can cycle a round in that? Chamber it in a more popular handgun round, say .44 mag and a 9 round magazine. I think my niece uses my old 30-30 for deer hunting.
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