Offseason Wheelings and Dealings

[RoyalDude]

Raymond, Schneider, '12 - 1st
for
Kane, Bogosian, '12 - 2nd

Winnipeg has Pavlec. They don't need another young goaltender.....or an experienced one. Pavlec is looking to be the real deal, and he was the only reason that the Jets were in the playoff hunt for as long as they were. People need to look at what other teams have and need before they throw trade dreams out there.

I know in EA Sports all that matters is the players trade value and years left on contract when it comes to top talent.....but in real life, it's a little different.

Yeah, we don't have the parts to trade for Kane, nowhere near it. You have to go far and beyond to even get the attention of management there without insulting their intelligence. It amazes how when fans put on their armchair GM hats and draw up trade scenarios of offering up pretty much garbage parts for quality player, ie Evander Kane. I don't even think you could trade Kesler straight up for Kane. That might be because of the age difference, but I could only see a Kesler and parts, or Edler and quality parts, ie Kassian, Jensen, 1st round pick, Tanev. You are right, Winnipeg is not in the market for a goalie. Maybe we could trade Schneider for a high pick and then move that with parts to Winnipeg, but now I'm getting crazy.

[Meds]

There is a crazy rumor floating out of Montreal that has Luongo going to Montreal for Price and then Schneider will be traded. It might be hogwash, but that's what I heard from a decent source.

I'm gonna go with hogwash on this one. Price has been nearly every bit as good as Lou over the last couple seasons. He has played more games than Roberto over that time and behind a much poorer team. I can't see Montreal trading a 24 year old potential HoF goaltender for a 33 year old rollercoaster (in recent years).

Besides, Price is RFA, he's gonna be wanting in the $5M range at least. The only draw for the Canucks is that he's from BC. I think Schneider is as good as Price to be honest, and I think that if Louie needs a fresh start because of his experience in Vancouver over the last few seasons, then Montreal is the LAST place a goaltender wants to go. They crucify their entire team, and they start in the crease on a regular basis.....I suppose Lou could at least shrug it off by convincing himself the boo's are Lou's.....

[RoyalDude]

There is a crazy rumor floating out of Montreal that has Luongo going to Montreal for Price and then Schneider will be traded. It might be hogwash, but that's what I heard from a decent source.

I'm gonna go with hogwash on this one. Price has been nearly every bit as good as Lou over the last couple seasons. He has played more games than Roberto over that time and behind a much poorer team. I can't see Montreal trading a 24 year old potential HoF goaltender for a 33 year old rollercoaster (in recent years).

Besides, Price is RFA, he's gonna be wanting in the $5M range at least. The only draw for the Canucks is that he's from BC. I think Schneider is as good as Price to be honest, and I think that if Louie needs a fresh start because of his experience in Vancouver over the last few seasons, then Montreal is the LAST place a goaltender wants to go. They crucify their entire team, and they start in the crease on a regular basis.....I suppose Lou could at least shrug it off by convincing himself the boo's are Lou's.....

People put too much stock in Lou's age, the guy has 4-5 years of good goaltending left in them. It's a real good story for that market, Montreal has that win now mentality, local boy going back home. New French Canadian GM and Coach and Goalie???? Well, French/Italian Canadian but same dif...

[Strangelove]

The reports don't write him off as quickly as you do. If Yzerman is thinking that Lindback is going to come in and solve all of Tampa's goaltending problems, then yes, he has been "hoodwinked". But I don't think he has given up anything big for him, especially if you go by your own comment of "supply and demand". He may have gotten fleeced for an extra pick in there, but it's a 2nd rounder, he can probably finesse a 2nd rounder into a deal coming back his way somewhere down the road.

Let's put it this way: If Tampa goes with a tandem of Garon/Lindback, Stevie's a fool.

The most Lindback has ever played in a season was 49 games as a 16 year old. I believe he was the #1 that year. The only other time IN HIS LIFE he has been the #1 is at the age of 21 (42 games) in the Swedish Elite League. Since then he has started a total of 6 AHL games and 33 (sheltered) NHL games. Then there's the Adult-onset Still's disease.

And Garon is one of the worst backups in the league.

The kids over at HF seem to think Tampa's good with Garon/Lindback.

I think Stevie is planning to flush Garon and bring in an established #1.

But yeah I guess he had to overpay for Lindback due to the Laws of Supply and Demand.

[Strangelove]

Well, French/Italian Canadian but same dif...

Nope, HUGE dif.

Montreal fans do NOT want Lou.

Here's what I think of your "rumour":

[RoyalDude]

Well, French/Italian Canadian but same dif...

Nope, HUGE dif.

Montreal fans do NOT want Lou.

Here's what I think of your "rumour":

Since when do the fans make managerial decisions? You spend too much time on the Trade Rumors Board at Hockeysfuture Doc. All those goofs over there fighting with each other with ridiculous trade rumors.

[Strangelove]

The risk is you end up with a player on a bad contract.

Who knows how much the arbitrator will award but even if he agrees with Canucks Raymond is overpaid imo.

A $2.245-2.5M salary isn't going to be that bad of a contract. Even in a shitty year, Raymond had 10 goals in 55 games, and the price for 15 goal scorers is in the $1.5-3M range.

WOT???

$3mil for a ball-less button-hook bambi would be considered fair?

It's not going to be that bad of a contract unless Raymond is even worse than last year.

Even if Bambi is 50% better than last year, $2.5mil is too much for him imo.

Even if we have prospects who can do what Raymond does at a cheaper salary, having the depth on a one year deal isn't a problem.

As I said before: Bambi will choose the 2-year option.

[BladesofSteel]

Winnipeg has Pavlec. They don't need another young goaltender.....or an experienced one. Pavlec is looking to be the real deal, and he was the only reason that the Jets were in the playoff hunt for as long as they were. People need to look at what other teams have and need before they throw trade dreams out there.

I know in EA Sports all that matters is the players trade value and years left on contract when it comes to top talent.....but in real life, it's a little different.

1st) Corey Schneider would be an immense upgrade on the yet to be established #1 Ondrej Pavelec.

2nd) Various reports (Tessier, TSN et al) are saying that Pavelec, a Restricted Free Agent, and the club have hit a snag in negotiations. Pavelec seems to be asking for far more than market value.

And lastly, yes, Pavelec had a decent season, but his presence in net was as effective as the team overall. Decent, not nearly good enough.

[Strangelove]

Well, French/Italian Canadian but same dif...

Nope, HUGE dif.

Montreal fans do NOT want Lou.

Here's what I think of your "rumour":

Since when do the fans make managerial decisions? You spend too much time on the Trade Rumors Board at Hockeysfuture Doc. All those goofs over there fighting with each other with ridiculous trade rumors.

Canadiens management know about how... care about how... their fans feel about players.

They tend to love Price and they don't much like... you-know-wots.

You sound like you want to fight over a ridiculous trade rumour right here and now.

Behaps you belong with "all those goofs" at HF.

[RoyalDude]

Canadiens management know about how... care about how... their fans feel about players.

Doc, you disappoint me.

[Strangelove]

Doc, you disappoint me.

I'm heartbroken.

[Island Nucklehead]

NYI is in desperate need of Defence. What about a deal involving Ballard and Okposo?

Say something like Ballard and the rights to Raymond for Okposo and the rights to Matt Martin. Throw in middle draft choices either way to even it out.

[CFP!]

NYI is in desperate need of Defence. What about a deal involving Ballard and Okposo?

Say something like Ballard and the rights to Raymond for Okposo and the rights to Matt Martin. Throw in middle draft choices either way to even it out.

Reminds me of a different colour KB3.



His cap hit is basically MayRays minus the cut back. I dont see how the Ilses would move him. Gaining salary might be good for them this summer at the expense of a solid up and comer?

[coco_canuck]

WOT???

$3mil for a ball-less button-hook bambi would be considered fair?

When did I say that would be a fair contract?

No wonder you're shocked.

I said, the price for 15 goal scorers varies between 1.5M-3M, and to elaborate, that depends on whether they're RFA or UFA.

You're a bright enough guy, you've seen the deals handed out to the likes of Aaron Ward for $3M per year, and there are plenty of other examples.

Even if Bambi is 50% better than last year, $2.5mil is too much for him imo.

As I said before: Bambi will choose the 2-year option.

If "bambi" is 50% better over a 82 game season, then he'd be at or near a 20 goal scorer again.

You wouldn't want a player scoring 20 goals at $2.5M per year?

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Reminds me of a different colour KB3.

Reminds me of a brown and white K9.