Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

[Tciso]

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the Higgins, Lappiere, Pahlsson's, Malhotra's, Ballards, Booths, Weises, blah, blah, blah of Gillis signings. The only truly great impact player to the core of this team that is a Gillis transaction is Hamhius, the rest are a bunch of dime a dozen cast off, journeyman players you can find anywhere for the right price. And seriously, could you all just fuck off with the 'Great Gillis resignings of current Canucks like Kesler, The Sedins, etc, like that is some sore of miracle, brilliant transaction.

RD, your above statement makes me very happy that MG and not you is the GM. It is guys like Higgins and Lappy that make the difference. I cannot think of any team that has made the SCF in the last 20 years without a strong supporting cast. Not only did we get them, we go them at great prices. It isn't a grocery store where you go to the 3rd live center isle, and pick up a new one when your old one goes bad.

And regarding the "Great resignings, wtf? MG manages to keep our core players intact, and at a price that allows us to add some significant talent to the pool.

Booth and Ballard are the only deals I am not totally on board with, only because of their salaries. But, imo, I think Booth has a lot more to show, and Ballard's style just doesn't fit with AV's system.

[Aaronp18]

Ironically or not, Steve Bernier has played a pretty integral role in New Jersey's run this year.

Y'know for a guy that is on many's failure list.

Yes at $2.5M he was overpaid but he was on a lot of people's desired Sedin winger list at the time, including mine. Would be a pretty serviceable 3rd liner now, something we could've used.

What did those 2nd and 3rd rounders turn into anyways?

[Jovocop]

Ironically or not, Steve Bernier has played a pretty integral role in New Jersey's run this year.

Y'know for a guy that is on many's failure list.

Yes at $2.5M he was overpaid but he was on a lot of people's desired Sedin winger list at the time, including mine. Would be a pretty serviceable 3rd liner now, something we could've used.

What did those 2nd and 3rd rounders turn into anyways?

Before the deadline, I suggested to trade for Bernier. With a cap hit of $0.5m, he would be a great addition to the fourth line.

[Meds]

The Ballard trade was a good one at the time. Going into last season (2010/11) Ballard had been a reliable guy playing big minutes for both Phoenix and Florida. He came here, had surgery, and then for whatever reason ended up having issues with Vigneault. I don't know the full extent of the issues, but we do know that Vigneault has a track record of playing favorites that don't belong in the lineup and benching guys that could help the team. Rome and Raymond are just two such examples of guys who received far longer leashes from AV than they should have.

Looking back over 2 years, the Ballard trade isn't really all that good, and if we had not been carrying his contract then maybe Gillis could have given Ehrhoff $5M a year. Who knows.

[wafflecombine]

I personally thought the Ballard-Tanev pairing was quite effective in the play-offs. Prior to the concussion, Ballard was playing very well this year.

I agree he is expensive for a #5 slot though. I could see either Ballard or Elder as part of a package deal for something big.

[coco_canuck]

Looking back over 2 years, the Ballard trade isn't really all that good, and if we had not been carrying his contract then maybe Gillis could have given Ehrhoff $5M a year. Who knows.

Ballard's contract had nothing to do with letting Ehrhoff walk. If Gillis wanted to keep Ehrhoff he could have, and it wouldn't have taken much dancing around the cap.

Whether you agree with Gillis or not, he wasn't going to pay Ehrhoff significantly more than Hamhuis or Bieksa, and he wasn't going to give Hoff a 8-10 year deal when he wouldn't do it for the Sedins.

I'm sure if push came to shove, Gillis would have given Hoff $4.7-4.9M per if the term was 5 years, but this was Ehrhoff's only chance to get a big contract, and he wasn't going to settle for anything under $5M and 6 years.

All indications were that the Red Wings wanted Ehrhoff, and Hoff would have loved to get paid by the Wings, but it's telling that he didn't even test the market when the Sabres gave him that $40M deal. It's not a criticism of Ehrhoff, he has every right to look for a payday, but it just shows the type of money the Canucks had to compete with to keep him. It's fair to say Ehrhoff was looking for about $35M total in a deal last summer, and he may have taken $30-32M to stay in Vancouver, but that's a deal Gillis wasn't going to do.

[dhabums]

The Ballard trade was a good one at the time. Going into last season (2010/11) Ballard had been a reliable guy playing big minutes for both Phoenix and Florida. He came here, had surgery, and then for whatever reason ended up having issues with Vigneault. I don't know the full extent of the issues, but we do know that Vigneault has a track record of playing favorites that don't belong in the lineup and benching guys that could help the team. Rome and Raymond are just two such examples of guys who received far longer leashes from AV than they should have.

Looking back over 2 years, the Ballard trade isn't really all that good, and if we had not been carrying his contract then maybe Gillis could have given Ehrhoff $5M a year. Who knows.

The thing I never really got about the Ballard trade was why we went after a guy coming off of hip surgery as a big piece of our defence. The guy relies on skating and hip checks.

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Totally off topic, Adam Henrique has more OT playoff winners than the entire WCE.

[dhabums]

The only truly great impact player to the core of this team that is a Gillis transaction is Hamhius,

Speaking of Hamhuis and impact, our season ended when he fell down. Two years in a row.

[RoyalDude]

This is for Island Nucklehead and Diehard, the Hockeysfuture has just ranked us 28th in Organizational Rankings. Looks like I'm not the only who feels that the Gillis regime has a lousy track record when it comes to drafting. 4 Drafts and nothing to show for as he enters his 5th Draft as your Vancouver Canucks GM in a couple weeks. - http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/7 ... 012-21-30/

Hey Island Nucklehead, I didn't see the Detroit Red Wings in the Bottom 3rd of this list. Hmmm

[TDA Rum]

How can you believe any article that rates the Flames prospects 5 spots higher than the Canucks, what a joke, the Flames are a barren wasteland...they have 1 guy that may be a regular in the league....

[Diehard1]

This is for Island Nucklehead and Diehard, the Hockeysfuture has just ranked us 28th in Organizational Rankings. Looks like I'm not the only who feels that the Gillis regime has a lousy track record when it comes to drafting. 4 Drafts and nothing to show for as he enters his 5th Draft as your Vancouver Canucks GM in a couple weeks. - http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/7 ... 012-21-30/

Hey Island Nucklehead, I didn't see the Detroit Red Wings in the Bottom 3rd of this list. Hmmm

I actually like looking at these lists, they are always good for a laugh. Teams like the Canucks, Red Wings, Philly, San Jose and others are always at the bottom, have been for years - yet they sure do seem to do a lot better than those teams at or near the top over the years (Florida, Minny, Edmonton, etc.).

As for your comment to me, I said that Gillis has done well given what he's had. He's had very few picks in 2 of the years he was here, 2010 because of trades (Ballard, Alberts, Bernier) though those were his trades so that has to be taken into account. He had a full draft last year and it seems that he's taken some guys who might be players, and 2009 (his only other year with a number of picks) has 4 guys currently playing in the AHL that might be ready soon for the bigs (Schroeder, Connauton, Rodin, Cannata).

Perhaps we should compare Gillis' last 4 years of drafting, with shitty picks, to other succesful teams over the same period? Detroit, San Jose, Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc - all of these teams that have been in the playoffs, like the Canucks, since Gillis got here must have multiple draft picks from the past 3 or 4 years playing in the league right? Oh wait.........

[ODB]

I keep checking the Luo thread (because you guys are posting in it) expecting to see some... Lou news.

Why don’t you guys start a "Gillis can't draft worth a shit" thread and leave the Luongo thread for Luongo related news, Mmmkay!


Your co-operation is appreciated!

[the Dogsalmon]

I keep checking the Luo thread (because you guys are posting in it) expecting to see some... Lou news.

Why don’t you guys start a "Gillis can't draft worth a shit" thread and leave the Luongo thread for Luongo related news, Mmmkay!


Your co-operation is appreciated!

its not just Gillmonster...its the whole goddamn Canuck shootin' match that cant draft...

[Reefer2]

I keep checking the Luo thread (because you guys are posting in it) expecting to see some... Lou news.

Why don’t you guys start a "Gillis can't draft worth a shit" thread and leave the Luongo thread for Luongo related news, Mmmkay!


Your co-operation is appreciated!

I 2nd this notion.

Or call it "RD is not happy about anything Canucks and is secretly a Flames fan while all other posters on CC try to offer their thoughts but RD will disagree". That will describe better what is occurring on all posts for the past few months.

[Strangelove]

I keep checking the Luo thread (because you guys are posting in it) expecting to see some... Lou news.

Why don’t you guys start a "Gillis can't draft worth a shit" thread and leave the Luongo thread for Luongo related news, Mmmkay!


Your co-operation is appreciated!

I concur with wot Ohdee said.

What really bothers me though is all the smarmy pessimism.