Fred wrote:Is it the GM's that are waiting or players/agents who know that a new deal now before the new CBA will be subject to the roll back ? ie get less
FAN wrote:Fred wrote:Is it the GM's that are waiting or players/agents who know that a new deal now before the new CBA will be subject to the roll back ? ie get less
We're talking about Luongo here though. He's already signed so regardless of what happens with the CBA, I'm sure Luongo wants to know where he's going to play next year sooner rather than later. As for the GMs, my point is that they will know what the rollback will likely be before a new CBA ratified so if salary rollback is a factor in the trade negotiations, GMs can wait and see what the rollback will be and then made the deal. No need to wait for the new CBA to be ratified though.
mnaslund wrote:I think Luo has next to no value on the market and the most we can hope to fetch for him is a prospect and 3rd line nhl player. I would be happy with that return giving his contract and the fact our GM has zero leverage.
dbr wrote:No offense, but isn't that just pointless semantics? Unless I am misreading your posts it seems like you're saying that GMs don't have to wait for the next CBA to know what their situation will be in that environment, instead they can just wait until it is all but completed and then move forward..
dbr wrote:At any rate, I would suggest that GMs are unlikely to be making deals with one another in the absence of a collective bargaining agreement, much less that the league would actually approve them - and given the brinksmanship that seems to be going on here I'd guess we will almost certainly see time time with no effective CBA in place
dbr wrote:I have no sense of how the next CBA is going to differ from the current one but I'd say that for example if the cap ceiling is once again linked to league wide revenue and the cap floor is say 90% of the cap ceiling, a team like Florida might balk at being put in a position to be paying $1.4m a year over the cap floor.
dbr wrote:And yes a rollback or a scenario in which the cap ceiling won't inflate like it has these past few years certainly makes Luongo's contract look better rather than worse.
dbr wrote:Ultimately to me it seems like nobody is going to blink any time soon so it's more likely that a new CBA creates another potential suitor or two than anything and it shakes enough pieces loose that a deal can happen. Right now it looks like that's not even on the horizon (although as Gillis keeps saying on the radio it can all change with one phone call.. apparently).
mnaslund wrote:Welcome to the boards I guess??? and I though hf was bad
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Not sure why its so hard for some of us canucks fans to understand why what I said before was true??? Even though we all myself included dont want to hear it.
1. Lou wants out, canucks want to move him- everyone knows this
2. Lou decides what team he goes to, not our GM
3. For the sake of the dressing room gillis has to move him beforfore the season starts, saying otherwise is just posturing
4. Lou's contract while not so bad right now, will really hurt aprox 5 years from now
And we expect top end talent in return???? your the trolls if you ask me
mnaslund wrote:Sorry for being so defensive, I just think alot of people are going to be surprised by the return we get for him.....
FAN wrote:dbr wrote:And yes a rollback or a scenario in which the cap ceiling won't inflate like it has these past few years certainly makes Luongo's contract look better rather than worse.
I'm not sure if you having things right here dbr. If the cap ceiling won't go up like it has in the past, it actually doesn't make Luongo's contract look better and might actually make it look worse.
mnaslund wrote:1. Lou wants out, canucks want to move him- everyone knows this
mnaslund wrote:2. Lou decides what team he goes to, not our GM
mnaslund wrote:3. For the sake of the dressing room gillis has to move him beforfore the season starts, saying otherwise is just posturing
mnaslund wrote:4. Lou's contract while not so bad right now, will really hurt aprox 5 years from now