Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

[Arachnid]

Roberto Luongo is currently ranked 251st at the World Series of Poker with 142,200 chips. His brother Fabio is ranked 131st.

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcou ... &curpage=2

I wonder if he bets on his own games?

[surreal78]

Roberto Luongo is currently ranked 251st at the World Series of Poker with 142,200 chips. His brother Fabio is ranked 131st.

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcou ... &curpage=2

I wonder if he bets on his own games?

Hold on -- his brother is seriously named Fabio?

[CFP!]

Roberto Luongo is currently ranked 251st at the World Series of Poker with 142,200 chips. His brother Fabio is ranked 131st.

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcou ... &curpage=2

I wonder if he bets on his own games?

He's still in it?

And here I thought it was just a promo between the BCLC and the FOX.

Silly me. hahaa

[wienerdog]

Roberto Luongo is currently ranked 251st at the World Series of Poker with 142,200 chips. His brother Fabio is ranked 131st.

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcou ... &curpage=2

I wonder if he bets on his own games?

Hold on -- his brother is seriously named Fabio?

Yup.

Fabio's a reasonably common Italian first name for dudes. I've met three Fabios in my life, and none of them are *that* guy.

[Diehard1]

There are a number of teams kicking the tires regarding Luongo but none have offered up a decent return. It would be a mistake to think only Toronto and Florida have shown interest. I have no idea what Lou's list looks like and I doubt MG does either since specifics have not been discussed. Perhaps Lou has given him a general idea has to what he hopes will happen and what he won't accept, I don't know, but I do know that more than two teams have shown interest, just not serious enough for MG to pull the trigger.

It may come down to the best time to make a hockey trade is closer to camp or just as the season begins. But for what its worth, once the season starts I doubt Luongo will waive his NTC. He wants to be set and not move during the season. So if we don't have a deal in place by the time camp breaks I fully expect that we will have both goalies all season. But I have no inside scoop on this just my theory.

I don't doubt for a second that a number of teams have asked Gillis what he wants for Lu, they wouldn't be doing their homework if they didn't. With that said, you have to look at who could actually use him:

Definite no (13) - Rangers, Canadiens, Hurricanes, Preds, Bruins, Penguins, Flyers, Jersey, Buffalo, LA, Calgary, Minnesota, Anaheim

Unlikely but possible (8) - Jets, Islanders, Blues, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Colorado, Tampa Bay

Maybe (5) - Florida, Washington, Ottawa, Chicago, San Jose

Yes - Edmonton, Toronto, Columbus

I put Florida in thne maybe category because they already have the top goalie prospect in the world, plus a decent stop-gap in Theodore/Clemmensen until he's ready. They don't need Lu but I'm sure they'd like to have him given past dealings.

The 3 'yes' teams - Edmonton won't get him as they are a division rival, he likely doesn't waive to go to Columbus, and Toronto has the dumbest GM in the game when it comes to goalies so I can't see him ponying up.

There's just not a great market for Lu, regardless of how good he is. Most teams have a comparable goalies, can't afford his contract or wouldn't want him for other reasons. He won't be easy to trade - yes he has value and good value at that as I think he's a hell of a goalie, but it's not going to be easy given his contract and no trade clause.

[tantalum]

On Markstrom: LeBrun has talked about this a couple times over the past month or so. The Panthers while they really like him as a prospect do have concerns about adapting his game to the North American ice. He also sustained a pretty serious injury his first season in the AHL and has had a knee surgery or two. They want to bring him along slowly. They see him fulltime in the AHL for at least another year followed by a few years of bringing him along slowly to be a starter. They want to go the route the canucks have used with Schneider....get his fundamentals truly sound before substantial NHLaction. That plan fits with bringing an excellent starter on board for a 4 or more year period. They also don't want to put all their future on the shoulders of the kid and need a versatile plan moving forward.

Also note that from LeBrun and McKenzie it was Tallon who went to ownership to ask permission to take on Luongo's contract (not ownership telling Tallon to do it). LeBrun in particular has said that without a doubt the hockey people in the Panthers organization really want Luongo. Ownership also wants him as they feel they can sell more tickets with him back on the team.

I expect that once the free agent market is completely exhausted and the GMs look at their team heading into camp you will find some that struck out in acquiring that extra scoring or defensive help and will look to shore up the goaltending. I also think that as connected as many insiders are they very rarely know everything. Florida and Toronto are the obvious ones that have publicly commented that they have interest. Chicago is also rumoured to be interested but is a much harder trade for Gillis to make given the rivalry. But that's three teams that have interest. There are likely a few more and at some point a couple of them are likely to get desparate.

Burke wanted Vokoun. He wanted brodeur. He knows he needs to upgrade his goaltending but my guess is his ego won't let him take on the type of contract he has spoken out against despite it being the Leafs ticket to the playoffs. He also needs to pull his head out of the sand and realize that goaltending sometimes comes with a cost (for Vokoun a higher draft pick to acquire rights, for Brodeur an extra year in the contract).

For Florida the goaltending showed enough gaps in the armor down the stretch and in the playoffs to be concerned especially when they relied on a year by Theodore that he is unlikely to duplicate. Like the Leafs, the Panthers are in a situation where less than excellent goaltending will have them on the outside looking in when April comes around. They can't afford to let that happen. They need to build on the momentum of this past surprise season in order to build the fan base again. Luongo gives them that goaltending and an extra kick to the fan base no one else in the league could give...unless Mellanby came out of retirement.

Washington...despite a good playoff they'd be remarkably foolish to go with the youngster tandem.

[Lancer]

There are a number of teams kicking the tires regarding Luongo but none have offered up a decent return. It would be a mistake to think only Toronto and Florida have shown interest. I have no idea what Lou's list looks like and I doubt MG does either since specifics have not been discussed. Perhaps Lou has given him a general idea has to what he hopes will happen and what he won't accept, I don't know, but I do know that more than two teams have shown interest, just not serious enough for MG to pull the trigger.

It may come down to the best time to make a hockey trade is closer to camp or just as the season begins. But for what its worth, once the season starts I doubt Luongo will waive his NTC. He wants to be set and not move during the season. So if we don't have a deal in place by the time camp breaks I fully expect that we will have both goalies all season. But I have no inside scoop on this just my theory.

I don't doubt for a second that a number of teams have asked Gillis what he wants for Lu, they wouldn't be doing their homework if they didn't. With that said, you have to look at who could actually use him:

Definite no (13) - Rangers, Canadiens, Hurricanes, Preds, Bruins, Penguins, Flyers, Jersey, Buffalo, LA, Calgary, Minnesota, Anaheim

Unlikely but possible (8) - Jets, Islanders, Blues, Phoenix, Detroit, Dallas, Colorado, Tampa Bay

Maybe (5) - Florida, Washington, Ottawa, Chicago, San Jose

Yes - Edmonton, Toronto, Columbus

I put Florida in thne maybe category because they already have the top goalie prospect in the world, plus a decent stop-gap in Theodore/Clemmensen until he's ready. They don't need Lu but I'm sure they'd like to have him given past dealings.

The 3 'yes' teams - Edmonton won't get him as they are a division rival, he likely doesn't waive to go to Columbus, and Toronto has the dumbest GM in the game when it comes to goalies so I can't see him ponying up.

There's just not a great market for Lu, regardless of how good he is. Most teams have a comparable goalies, can't afford his contract or wouldn't want him for other reasons. He won't be easy to trade - yes he has value and good value at that as I think he's a hell of a goalie, but it's not going to be easy given his contract and no trade clause.

If the past couple of playoffs have taught me anything is that trends rule in the league and everybody likes to tap into what they think was the Stanley Cup winner's formula for success. When Chicago won, everybody seemed to think they could go cheap on getting goalies and getting a marquee goalie was not a priority for a contender. The past two seasons have seen the shift back to money goaltenders. After Bernier's performance last playoffs, I was concerned about Schneider getting an absurd offer sheet because the fad was for young money goaltenders.

There will always be a significant market for elite goalies - even clubs with good goalies. All it takes is for a couple of GMs to decide that their goaltending - while good - is good enough. I would change your 'maybe' list to a 'likely' list. How comfy do you think San Jose is with another season of 'flip a coin and see which goalie we get' Antii Niemi? As Tant says, Washington would be playing with fire going into next season with Holtby and Neuvirth.

Luongo is a known quantity, and any club with playoff aspirations who has the slightest question about their goaltending should be considered in the market for him. I think that list is bigger, but it's just a matter of who has the will and pieces to offer Gillis' price.

[Jovocop]

If the past couple of playoffs have taught me anything is that trends rule in the league and everybody likes to tap into what they think was the Stanley Cup winner's formula for success. When Chicago won, everybody seemed to think they could go cheap on getting goalies and getting a marquee goalie was not a priority for a contender. The past two seasons have seen the shift back to money goaltenders. After Bernier's performance last playoffs, I was concerned about Schneider getting an absurd offer sheet because the fad was for young money goaltenders.

There will always be a significant market for elite goalies - even clubs with good goalies. All it takes is for a couple of GMs to decide that their goaltending - while good - is good enough. I would change your 'maybe' list to a 'likely' list. How comfy do you think San Jose is with another season of 'flip a coin and see which goalie we get' Antii Niemi? As Tant says, Washington would be playing with fire going into next season with Holtby and Neuvirth.

Luongo is a known quantity, and any club with playoff aspirations who has the slightest question about their goaltending should be considered in the market for him. I think that list is bigger, but it's just a matter of who has the will and pieces to offer Gillis' price.

I believe that you were talking about Quick, not Bernier.

[Lancer]

If the past couple of playoffs have taught me anything is that trends rule in the league and everybody likes to tap into what they think was the Stanley Cup winner's formula for success. When Chicago won, everybody seemed to think they could go cheap on getting goalies and getting a marquee goalie was not a priority for a contender. The past two seasons have seen the shift back to money goaltenders. After Bernier's performance last playoffs, I was concerned about Schneider getting an absurd offer sheet because the fad was for young money goaltenders.

There will always be a significant market for elite goalies - even clubs with good goalies. All it takes is for a couple of GMs to decide that their goaltending - while good - is good enough. I would change your 'maybe' list to a 'likely' list. How comfy do you think San Jose is with another season of 'flip a coin and see which goalie we get' Antii Niemi? As Tant says, Washington would be playing with fire going into next season with Holtby and Neuvirth.

Luongo is a known quantity, and any club with playoff aspirations who has the slightest question about their goaltending should be considered in the market for him. I think that list is bigger, but it's just a matter of who has the will and pieces to offer Gillis' price.

I believe that you were talking about Quick, not Bernier.

(sigh) yes, I meant Quick... what happens when you have a co-worker last-named 'Bernier'

[Potatoe1]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012 ... to-school/

Looks like Bjugstad is setting up to pull a Justin Schultz.

I suspect this change things from a Canuck point of view.

[Jovocop]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/12/florida-first-rounder-bjugstad-headed-back-to-school/

Looks like Bjugstad is setting up to pull a Justin Schultz.

I suspect this change things from a Canuck point of view.

Would the new CBA allow Bjugstad to become a UFA next season? Schultz was lucky to have it done prior to the new CBA. It would be funny that the CBA fixes the loophole and Bjugstad is still stuck with the Panthers...

[ODB]

Why assume he wants out of the Panthers organization? Maybe he just wants to do the collage thing right now?

[Blob Mckenzie]

Either way it is a bit of a red flag. The Panthers wanted him to turn pro this fall.

Guess this makes Drew Shore a bit more interesting .

On that page i noticed Sammy beaking off about Burrows and Canucks management.

[mpp]

Why assume he wants out of the Panthers organization? Maybe he just wants to do the college thing right now?

This. He has finished 2 years by now, so 2 more to go for UFA eligibility anyway - and that's if new CBA doesn't close the gap.

I don't think there is anything wrong in Bjugstad-Panthers relationship. Red flag? Not according to George Richards and that's his opinion from way back. Panthers were OK with either decision. Bjugstad decision does influence Canucks situation though - assuming he was included in the trade talks.

[Diehard1]

On Markstrom: LeBrun has talked about this a couple times over the past month or so. The Panthers while they really like him as a prospect do have concerns about adapting his game to the North American ice. He also sustained a pretty serious injury his first season in the AHL and has had a knee surgery or two. They want to bring him along slowly. They see him fulltime in the AHL for at least another year followed by a few years of bringing him along slowly to be a starter. They want to go the route the canucks have used with Schneider....get his fundamentals truly sound before substantial NHLaction. That plan fits with bringing an excellent starter on board for a 4 or more year period. They also don't want to put all their future on the shoulders of the kid and need a versatile plan moving forward.

Also note that from LeBrun and McKenzie it was Tallon who went to ownership to ask permission to take on Luongo's contract (not ownership telling Tallon to do it). LeBrun in particular has said that without a doubt the hockey people in the Panthers organization really want Luongo. Ownership also wants him as they feel they can sell more tickets with him back on the team.

I expect that once the free agent market is completely exhausted and the GMs look at their team heading into camp you will find some that struck out in acquiring that extra scoring or defensive help and will look to shore up the goaltending. I also think that as connected as many insiders are they very rarely know everything. Florida and Toronto are the obvious ones that have publicly commented that they have interest. Chicago is also rumoured to be interested but is a much harder trade for Gillis to make given the rivalry. But that's three teams that have interest. There are likely a few more and at some point a couple of them are likely to get desparate.

Burke wanted Vokoun. He wanted brodeur. He knows he needs to upgrade his goaltending but my guess is his ego won't let him take on the type of contract he has spoken out against despite it being the Leafs ticket to the playoffs. He also needs to pull his head out of the sand and realize that goaltending sometimes comes with a cost (for Vokoun a higher draft pick to acquire rights, for Brodeur an extra year in the contract).

For Florida the goaltending showed enough gaps in the armor down the stretch and in the playoffs to be concerned especially when they relied on a year by Theodore that he is unlikely to duplicate. Like the Leafs, the Panthers are in a situation where less than excellent goaltending will have them on the outside looking in when April comes around. They can't afford to let that happen. They need to build on the momentum of this past surprise season in order to build the fan base again. Luongo gives them that goaltending and an extra kick to the fan base no one else in the league could give...unless Mellanby came out of retirement.

Washington...despite a good playoff they'd be remarkably foolish to go with the youngster tandem.

I agree on Markstrom - my point on Florida is simply they don't 'need' Luongo, he's something that woud be very nice to have but unlike the Leafs he's not a necessity. Of course, Burkie can't see what's rightin front of his face so I expect he won't trade for Lu.

Washngton's a tough one - Holtby was very, very good last year in the playoffs but you don't want to rely on very young goaltending. They are a dark horse.