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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Strangelove on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:06 pm

mpp wrote:- Bjugstad, Upshall (salary dump), 1st 2013
- Bjugstad, Upshall, Petrovic

...would you do it?


Can't see us getting Bjugstad and a 1st.

And certainly not Bjugstad and Petrovic.

I like to think we might talk em outta Bjugstad, Upshall, 2nd 2013.

Which I would personally sign off on.

But then I am a huge fan of Upshall, not sure if he can stay healthy mind you, but willing to take the chance!

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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Strangelove on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:08 pm

SKYO wrote:Versteeg, Bjugstad and a 1st?

With RL/Ray going the other way, Booth can then go to his natural LW side.


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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Strangelove on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:11 pm

Fred wrote:Lucky he ain't a soccer players in EU, the Press would be all over it. The Press refer to them as the WAGS ( Wives and Girlfriends ) Stories in the press every day reporting their every move. :D The lady likes to be close to Mom amd Mom wants to be close to the grandchildren. Hey maybe Mom can cover the mortgage :D They own a pizza place before she met Luo she was serving Pizza job with a great future, fair certainly not. But we certainly appreciate all her efforts she's resolved a difficult situation and many would like to thank her :D

Fred wrote:I'm sure he is no saint but he's be a lot more homely if his wife chose to live with him rather than her Mom. She new when she married a Pro athlete what was in store. It's commonly referred to as eating your cake and wanting to keep it. When she decided to stay and reside in Florida with her Mom & Dad only a complete idiot might not think "hey there may be repercussions here" If she needs to live in close proximity to her parents I'm thinking this is not a long term success story. The sad thing for Luo is he'll lose his kids. I believe the figures are 51% of marriages end up in divorce and approx 80% of the courts award the children to the mother with the father paying... now that sounds fair. :D


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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby coco_canuck on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:41 pm

Strangelove wrote:Can't see us getting Bjugstad and a 1st.

And certainly not Bjugstad and Petrovic.

I like to think we might talk em outta Bjugstad, Upshall, 2nd 2013.

Which I would personally sign off on.

But then I am a huge fan of Upshall, not sure if he can stay healthy mind you, but willing to take the chance!


Yeah, while I think Luo has more value than what some inbreds in Toronto think, Gillis will probably only get 1 blue-chip prospect/young player plus something like Upshall and a pick outside the 1st round.

I'd do Bjugstad, Upshall and a 2nd.

But preferably, I'd go Bjugstad and Mathias. Mathias would be a nice fit as a young centre with size in the bottom 6.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby ODB on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:02 am

This may be old news butt...
Blake Price via twitter: (via @NHLGossip) Pierre LeBrun said that Panthers ownership ok’d adding Luongo’s salary, as long as the trade makes sense. Pierre LeBrun via twitter: Clarifying his comments, Panthers GM Dale Tallon has full support from ownership but he’d still need to circle back to ownership for the green light if they can work out a deal.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby CrzyCanuck on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:11 am

I'm praying Florida is dumb enough to take Ballard back
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby $lacker on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:28 am

CrzyCanuck wrote:I'm praying Florida is dumb enough to take Ballard back

LOL... not a chance. Florida is already worried about taking on salary, would be nice though!

I'm thinking it will be Upshall and a good prospect or 1st rounder. Florida would probably rather give up the first rounder than the good prospect. Better than any package Toronto has offered.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby tantalum on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:33 am

Still think Versteeg makes a lot of sense if they are having trouble signing him (I don't know if they are or aren't). It's not "salary" per se but it would be anticipated salary they were planning for that no loner exists.

but yes, Upshall or perhaps Bergenheim makes sense from a current roster point of view. As long as it's not Jovo and his 35+ contract.


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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby coco_canuck on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:51 am

Gillis has to keep pestering about Bjugstad and find a way to get him included in the deal.

Gudbranson and Hubredeau are going nowhere, and although Bjugstad is still one of Tallon's prized top prospects, he's the guy Gillis may be able to pry away.

I don't mind Versteeg, nor do I have an issue with adding someone like Upshall, but we have to get a good, cheap young player in any deal for Luongo. Otherwise it becomes like the Jokinen, Halpern and Mike Smith for Brad Richards trade, or the Phaneuf dump for a bunch of role players.

I don't like those types of deals for star players.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Aaronp18 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:58 am

tantalum wrote:but yes, Upshall or perhaps Bergenheim makes sense from a current roster point of view. As long as it's not Jovo and his 35+ contract.


The problem with Upshall is he has a NMC or a modified NTC (according to capgeek). So he'd have to waive to come to Vancouver, he played in Kamloops so he might.

The only other contracts that FLA may want to get rid of are Campbell, Jovo, Bergenheim or Kopecky. Gillis has got to say no to Jovo and I'm pretty sure he just wants to stay in FLA anyways, Campbell plays enormous minutes for them so I'm not sure it would be smart to move him.

Campbell has NTC as well - can pick 8 teams he will accept trade to.

So existing contracts would likely be Upshall, Bergenheim or Kopecky.

And they have Versteeg and Wolski to sign as RFA's. The aren't going to want to sign these guys to long term deals and risk losing some of their blue chip prospects due to budget constraints in a few years.

There's few guys to pick from down there I guess.

I think I'd take a shot on Upshall. If his injuries are behind him I like what he can bring, if he gets injured LTIR!
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby coco_canuck on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 am

Aaronp18 wrote:There's few guys to pick from down there I guess.

I think I'd take a shot on Upshall. If his injuries are behind him I like what he can bring, if he gets injured LTIR!


I also don't mind Kopecky. He can play all three forward positions, is good defensively and has played up and down a line-up before. His range is 10-15 goals, and 25-40 points, but his $3M cap hit sucks.

I don't take any of these contracts unless Bjugstad is in the deal.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Jovocop on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:14 am

Aaronp18 wrote:
tantalum wrote:but yes, Upshall or perhaps Bergenheim makes sense from a current roster point of view. As long as it's not Jovo and his 35+ contract.


The problem with Upshall is he has a NMC or a modified NTC (according to capgeek). So he'd have to waive to come to Vancouver, he played in Kamloops so he might.

The only other contracts that FLA may want to get rid of are Campbell, Jovo, Bergenheim or Kopecky. Gillis has got to say no to Jovo and I'm pretty sure he just wants to stay in FLA anyways, Campbell plays enormous minutes for them so I'm not sure it would be smart to move him.

Campbell has NTC as well - can pick 8 teams he will accept trade to.

So existing contracts would likely be Upshall, Bergenheim or Kopecky.

And they have Versteeg and Wolski to sign as RFA's. The aren't going to want to sign these guys to long term deals and risk losing some of their blue chip prospects due to budget constraints in a few years.

There's few guys to pick from down there I guess.

I think I'd take a shot on Upshall. If his injuries are behind him I like what he can bring, if he gets injured LTIR!


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Honestly - why not Luongo for Campbell straight up?

Postby Farhan Lalji on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:34 am

Honestly,

Why not Roberto Luongo for Brian Campbell?


-It's clear that Florida will not be giving up a top notch prospect, and it's also clear that the Canucks could use another top notch defenseman to replace Erhoff. With Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Campbell, and possibly Justin Schultz here, the Canucks' depth on D would be quite strong.

Campbell is as good not, if not better, than Christian Erhoff.

-The Canucks fill a positional need, while Florida reduces its cap hit and retains its young prospects.
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Re: Honestly - why not Luongo for Campbell straight up?

Postby Aaronp18 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:03 am

Farhan Lalji wrote:Why not Roberto Luongo for Brian Campbell?


Campbell would need to list Vancouver as one of his 8 teams he'd be willing to go to. Will he?

Also not sure if Gillis would be willing to have Campbell at a cap hit $1.0M more than the Sedins.

Sorry about the Wolski addition, was simply looking at capgeek.com and they still have him as RFA.
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Re: Honestly - why not Luongo for Campbell straight up?

Postby mpp on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:52 am

Farhan Lalji wrote:Honestly,

Why not Roberto Luongo for Brian Campbell?


I think I mentioned it before, but Tallon absolutely loves Campbell. What's more weird, apparently he loves what Jovo brings too. Florida sources - don't remember who, sorry, probably their beat writer George Richards.

I hope it stays this way. We need to get younger. As for "It's clear that Florida will not be giving up a top notch prospect" --> on what basis do you judge it is clear? :roll: It's not like they have one blue chipper who they will never ever part with. They have four (Huberdeau, Gudbranson - technically he's a pro already - Markstrom & Bjugstad). They also have a bunch of sure-fire NHLers-to-be (Robak, Howden, McFarland, probably Grimaldi with height being his only knock).

Let's speculate a bit. As we know, MG wanted Gudbranson back when he was peddling Cody. Would you rather take Gudbranson, with his so-so rookie season but huge shutdown D potential, or Bjugstad, Mr. I OWN NCAA, logical replacement of our offensive stars in a couple of years?
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