Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

[rats19]

Sorry for being so defensive, I just think alot of people are going to be surprised by the return we get for him.....

thats fair enough.....I hope you are wrong but thats just opinion on my part...welcome aboard and don t get too defensive if some seem sensative over some issues...we do bleed blue...glass half full for the most part

rat

[dbr]

And yes a rollback or a scenario in which the cap ceiling won't inflate like it has these past few years certainly makes Luongo's contract look better rather than worse.

I'm not sure if you having things right here dbr. If the cap ceiling won't go up like it has in the past, it actually doesn't make Luongo's contract look better and might actually make it look worse.

Well, the cap circumvention aspect of Luongo's deal looks more attractive in an environment where you can't simply create more cap space by waiting a year.

If you think he's going to be worth less than his $5.3m cap hit over most of the rest of his career then I suppose it's small consolation that at least his cap hit isn't $6.7m - but it's probably pretty safe to say any GM who thinks that won't be involved in trade discussions for this player.

[vic]

1. Lou wants out, canucks want to move him- everyone knows this

not gonna touch that one

2. Lou decides what team he goes to, not our GM

It's a bit of both - Mike Gillis does NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM. He can park him the press box or in the minors if he chooses. Lou has a No Trade Clause, not a No Movement Clause. If #1 is true and Lou does want out then I'm sure he'd be willing to open up the list of teams in order to be moved. If all he's going to get us is useless picks or b-grade prospects, he would have been traded by now.

3. For the sake of the dressing room gillis has to move him beforfore the season starts, saying otherwise is just posturing

You have access to the Canucks' dressing room? Wow, that must be fun! What else can you tell us about all the friendships and rivalries in that room?

4. Lou's contract while not so bad right now, will really hurt aprox 5 years from now

How will it hurt 5 years from now? If anything, the out-clauses worked out in the deal will help the team 5-years from now...here they are:

http://www.faceoff.com/story.html?id=a4 ... 328be5e1d1

[Benjo]

Lu's contract will be beautiful in 5 years for a team like the Panthers. The fifth year is the last season where his salary is higher than his cap hit. After that they start paying out 3.3, 1.6 then a couple of 1.0 million for a 5.3 million cap hit contract which is perfect for Florida.
Until then he is being paid 6.7m for a 5.3 cap hit which is more than fair for a top 10 goalie in his prime.

[mnaslund]

1. Lou wants out, canucks want to move him- everyone knows this

not gonna touch that one

2. Lou decides what team he goes to, not our GM

It's a bit of both - Mike Gillis does NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM. He can park him the press box or in the minors if he chooses. Lou has a No Trade Clause, not a No Movement Clause. If #1 is true and Lou does want out then I'm sure he'd be willing to open up the list of teams in order to be moved. If all he's going to get us is useless picks or b-grade prospects, he would have been traded by now.

Ohh really you have access to Mike Gillis' and other GM's thought processes regarding the uncertainty of the cba?? Wow that must be fun!!!

3. For the sake of the dressing room gillis has to move him beforfore the season starts, saying otherwise is just posturing

You have access to the Canucks' dressing room? Wow, that must be fun! What else can you tell us about all the friendships and rivalries in that room?

I do, and Im assuming you want shower room photos but im sorry to say I dont have any. Doesnt take a grade 12 education to know that having him around would be a huge distraction for the team.

[mnaslund]

Some of you guys are worse then leaf fans I swear............... Luongo, is essentially useless to our team and I think its Mike Gillis' fault for letting the situation get this out of hand .

[mnaslund]

Mike Gillis should be fired and bring in a GM willing to do a proper rebuild. We are quickly becoming the calgary flames of the NHL, We made it to the cup finals and having done jack since. We need a GM willing to do what the flames management was not, and that is trade off any assets that still have value which really at this point is the sedins (ie inginla & kipper). If not im worried about what the status of this team will be.

[Tciso]

The current CBA is set to expire but it hasn't expired yet so it's business as usual as far as trades and contract negotiations go and there's absolutely no reason why the league won't approve a reasonable hockey trade. We've seen teams signing players to long-term contracts before the new CBA so it's not like GMs are scared of taking on long-term contracts before the new CBA.

+1

What ever changes occur in the new CBA will affect all contracts, including Lou's and the other 20 or so long term deals across the league. If teams are willing to sign players to new 8 or 10 or 13 year deals this summer, there is no difference in trading for a similar deal. Business as usual.

[mnaslund]

The current CBA is set to expire but it hasn't expired yet so it's business as usual as far as trades and contract negotiations go and there's absolutely no reason why the league won't approve a reasonable hockey trade. We've seen teams signing players to long-term contracts before the new CBA so it's not like GMs are scared of taking on long-term contracts before the new CBA.

+1

What ever changes occur in the new CBA will affect all contracts, including Lou's and the other 20 or so long term deals across the league. If teams are willing to sign players to new 8 or 10 or 13 year deals this summer, there is no difference in trading for a similar deal. Business as usual.

So what are you saying?? GM's across the NHL are in line at Mike Gillis' office trying to make a trade for Bobby Luo??? if that was the case I think a deal would have been done a month ago. Perhaps Gillis just needs to sweeten the pot a little bit.....Hmmm maybe we can through in those two guy that wear the green suits and have no testicles in, Im sure thats all thats missing from this puzzle.besides thier testicles of course

[Strangelove]

in best Obi-Wan Kenobi voice:

Rat, trust your instincts, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

IT’S A DUCK!!!

And I think most of us are getting tired of ducks at this point....

[Tciso]

Mike Gillis should be fired and bring in a GM willing to do a proper rebuild. We are quickly becoming the calgary flames of the NHL, We made it to the cup finals and having done jack since. We need a GM willing to do what the flames management was not, and that is trade off any assets that still have value which really at this point is the sedins (ie inginla & kipper). If not im worried about what the status of this team will be.

I think that you under-value a few key components of the Canucks.

1) The twins are 31, not 35, so we have 4 more years to go
2) Schneider is 25, not 35.
3) we have a strong supporting cast of forwards
4) we have a strong defense, and 2 rising stars in Edler and Tanev.
5) We have no Sutters in key organization positions.
6) Luongo is a huge asset that will return value, in picks and players

[Strangelove]

QUACK!!!

[rats19]

I have an awesome farmers tan....but the rest of me Is fair...

[Madcombinepilot]

Mike Gillis should be fired and bring in a GM willing to do a proper rebuild. We are quickly becoming the calgary flames of the NHL, We made it to the cup finals and having done jack since. We need a GM willing to do what the flames management was not, and that is trade off any assets that still have value which really at this point is the sedins (ie inginla & kipper). If not im worried about what the status of this team will be.

I think that you under-value a few key components of the Canucks.

1) The twins are 31, not 35, so we have 4 more years to go
2) Schneider is 25, not 35.
3) we have a strong supporting cast of forwards
4) we have a strong defense, and 2 rising stars in Edler and Tanev.
5) We have no Sutters in key organization positions.
6) Luongo is a huge asset that will return value, in picks and players

#5 is the key to all 6 points.

[wafflecombine]

Lol... looks like we found some additional support for RD here in the forums!

Have to agree with the 6 points though. I would add in 2012 we were exhausted from the cup run in 2011, Danny got deliberately head hunted and Kesler came back too early and injured himself. In a way, a potential lock-out and delayed 2012-13 favours us.
1. No slow October start.
2. No Lou to blame for a slow start.
3. More time for recovery and training for the players nursing injuries
4. More time for the new recruits to train, learn system and get comfortable in a 'Nucks jersey.

At least that's the glass half full analysis