Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby dbr » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:55 pm

Boy, just looking around the league - if the cap really goes up to $70m as it's supposed to do under this CBA (and as Bettman has instructed teams to assume it will in the next) it is going to be an absolute gong show trying to get players signed under reasonable deals.

With a $70m cap the worst off team is San Jose who have 9 roster spots to fill at $1.6m a pop. Every other team in the league has at least $2m per opening, the Canucks would have almost $2.5m per roster spot. Detroit would have $4.4m for each opening on their roster. :crazy:

Maybe Rick Nash wouldn't be so bad after all..
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:00 pm

donlever wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:
what would it cost Aquaman to buy out Roberto I wonder? would he make an offer he can't refuse?


Why?

Moot?

A deal can get done, no one (named RL) is getting bought out.


Actually I was thinking more about the Aqua's construction company and cement shoes, but never mind I guess it was only funny in my head
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby dbr » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:07 pm

ukcanuck wrote:Actually I was thinking more about the Aqua's construction company and cement shoes, but never mind I guess it was only funny in my head


Roberto Luongo has been suspended by the team - from the 60th floor of the Shangri-la, by his ankles. Discussion of his no trade clause is ongoing.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby donlever » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:08 pm

ukcanuck wrote:.. but never mind I guess it was only funny in my head


Ahhh, Italian gangster smack!!

Problem is it went right over mine.

Next time....
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby tantalum » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:33 pm

Burke is also under far more pressure than he was last off season. Burke could talk smack all off season and up to the all star break as his Leafs were doing what he said they'd do. Then they fell apart and the MAJOR issue was goaltending despite having two handpicked Burke goaltenders (Reimer while not drafted by Burke was annointed by Burke as the #1). Burke looked like an ass as the season wound down and the TO media is going to be quick to get out the pitchforks next season. Given his boss took out a big ad apologizing for the teams ineptness (and presumably that applied to not just the players) I'd imagine it won't only be the media sharpening knives.

If he could get Luongo he'd do it, but I don't think he'd give up Gardiner. He'd be more likely to give up his first round pick IMO. I also think Luongo may go to Toronto because of Allaire. I think TO would also be a destination for Raymond with the Nonis connection and the need for good PK guys.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby LiquidSnake » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:38 pm

dbr wrote:Maybe Rick Nash wouldn't be so bad after all..

It wouldn't address the lack of playmakers in the top 6. I'd personally suggest Joe Thornton.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:54 pm

donlever wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:.. but never mind I guess it was only funny in my head


Ahhh, Italian gangster smack!!

Problem is it went right over mine.

Next time....


as long as you don't forget the cannoli :)
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Jovocop » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:59 pm

LiquidSnake wrote:
dbr wrote:Maybe Rick Nash wouldn't be so bad after all..

It wouldn't address the lack of playmakers in the top 6. I'd personally suggest Joe Thornton.


No, thank you! The Canucks need worriers not another crying baby.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby SKYO » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:57 pm

If we do need to trade Ballard, Minny could be a good fit as according to capgeek they will be lacking some dmen this offseason if Foster and Lundin leave via UFA.

And in return we could use Matt Cullen who could help our anemic offense for the 3rd line center spot, as he has that savvy veteran leadership plus has some cup winning experience that we are severely lacking.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby LiquidSnake » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:07 pm

Jovocop wrote:
LiquidSnake wrote:
dbr wrote:Maybe Rick Nash wouldn't be so bad after all..

It wouldn't address the lack of playmakers in the top 6. I'd personally suggest Joe Thornton.


No, thank you! The Canucks need worriers not another crying baby.

The Canucks have enough "worriers". Thornton in a secondary role would be excellent. His elite playmaking skills are what's needed for a 2nd line with Kesler and Booth
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Strangelove » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:16 pm

Has anyone suggested firing Mike Gillis and replacing him with Bobby Clarke?
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby CrzyCanuck » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:31 pm

Strangelove wrote:Has anyone suggested firing Mike Gillis and replacing him with Bobby Clarke?


Or Patrick Roy? :lol:

Should we build a statue of Clarkey for you, Doc? :lol:
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Strangelove » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:36 pm

CrzyCanuck wrote:Should we build a statue of Clarkey for you, Doc? :lol:


Saaay how about one of those fountain-statues: Clarkie pissing on Lindros! :thumbs:
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Lancer » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:37 pm

Management has to make a decision on Edler. Either he can mentally bust through this playoff wall he hits and play with more confidence and intensity, or you may as well ship him out while he's hot. Maybe package him and Lou for Hedman and Malone as one other here suggested. If the Canucks are going to give up their #1 D, they had best replace him because unlike this season, there's no replacing him from within.

Otherwise, frankly, the D is good. Maybe Gillis will have to move Ballard for salary reasons, but he's proven lately that he can play his way into significant minutes under Vigneault. As far as Alberts/Rome/etc, keep them around because the way the league is letting the forecheckers in, it's open season on the D in retrieval.

As for forwards, honestly I like the bottom six. Higgins/Pahlsson/Hansen is an effective 3rd line that is worth keeping together. Either winger can move up one line in a pinch. Lapierre, Malhotra, Bitz/whatever is not a bad 4th line at all though I wonder why Gillis never went after somebody like Konopka. People hack on Manny, but he can still win faceoffs and be responsible in all zones.

The top 6 though? Burrows is a Canuck for life. He knows it. Management knows it. The league knows it and more importantly the Sedins know it. He makes them as good as they make him. The Sedins are Canucks for life unless Gillis does a megaton blow-up of the roster.

The biggest thing is the ever-elusive 2nd line. I think they'll give Booth till next trading deadline to see who they really have here, but playmaker, he ain't. To me, it comes down to Kesler. If he gets traded, it's because management has lost faith in his ability to recuperate from his hip injury - which may well be the case. I wouldn't be surprised. Regardless, they have three options with him: keep him at 2nd C, move him down to 3rd C, or move him to the wing. The easiest option would be to keep status quo with him at 2nd C, but then we NEED a playmaking winger. The first guy that comes to mind is Parise, but he will have suitors all over the league. Who else? If they move him to wing (where he can be more of a shooter), it opens up a lot more options. What about trading Lou for Lecavalier and a pick? What if Gillis could swing a deal for Getzlaf (against all odds)? Kesler could still take shadow assignments and draws but there are more 2nd line playmaking options at C than W. They could try for a revamped 2nd line and put Kesler with Higgins and Hansen but that's a lot of salary to bury at 3rd C.

May Ray is toast and I will be happy to drive him to the airport.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:33 pm

tantalum wrote:Burke is also under far more pressure than he was last off season. Burke could talk smack all off season and up to the all star break as his Leafs were doing what he said they'd do. Then they fell apart and the MAJOR issue was goaltending despite having two handpicked Burke goaltenders (Reimer while not drafted by Burke was annointed by Burke as the #1). Burke looked like an ass as the season wound down and the TO media is going to be quick to get out the pitchforks next season. Given his boss took out a big ad apologizing for the teams ineptness (and presumably that applied to not just the players) I'd imagine it won't only be the media sharpening knives.

If he could get Luongo he'd do it, but I don't think he'd give up Gardiner. He'd be more likely to give up his first round pick IMO. I also think Luongo may go to Toronto because of Allaire. I think TO would also be a destination for Raymond with the Nonis connection and the need for good PK guys.



While I agree that Toronto could be a fit for Luongo word has it that Allaire is set to retire. I also agree that if Burke could get Luongo he would bend over backwards. What will help us is if Luongo has a list of 4-5 destinations and they get into a bidding war.

If Luongo fails to waive then no doubt there are a few teams that will bid for Cory.
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