Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby wafflecombine » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:09 am

lol... was messing with CapGeek at coffee. Just a shit's and Giggle's lineup

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Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Jordan Eberle ($1.158m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Samuel Pahlsson ($2.650m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.605m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Kevin Connauton ($0.900m)
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Cory Schneider ($3.500m)
Eddie Lack ($1.250m)
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Mondi » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:11 am

I'm of the opinion that the team needs badly to cut some of the dead weight depth players who take up cap space but provide next to nothing.

I'd prefer 7 NHL defensemen to 9, if it were possible to get a real 6-million-dollar-man in here that was actually worth the contract. Nothing against depth, but depth is pointless when 6 through 9 on defence provide basically nothing and similarly 10 through 14 at forward due ef all.

I'd also prefer dynamic offensive players to blockheads like Raymond and Booth, but I digress.

Ideally, I'd see the following players cut, released, waived or traded.

Forwards:
Raymond, Pahlsson, Bitz, Weise, Volpatti, Ebbet, Malhotra

Defense:
Alberts, Rome, Ballard, Gagnani, Salo

Then I would build around

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - _______
Higgins - Lapierre - ______
Kassian - (Malhotra OR Pahlsson) - Hansen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - ______
Tanev - ______
Salo (?)

Schneider
______ (Lack, if he earns it)

I would look at bringing back Salo at $1 million (or less), and Phalsson at $2 million (or less) or Malhotra (given his contract and NMC) to centre the fourth line. I am tempted to get rid of Booth, but the time is not right nor is his stock very high. Of course, my hope is that Ballard could be ditched, but that may or may not be possible.

In a previous thread I suggested Kesler for Getzlaf, but methinks that is pie-in-sky type thinking. And it was nothing against Kesler, it is just that Vancouver needs dynamic play-makers instead of pure shooters and both had terrible seasons by their lofty standard. Then again, given Kesler's pedigree and work ethic a summer of training should bring him back to form.

So, with a combination of the players noted above gone, there is plenty of cap space to acquire a dynamic top six winger and a stud defensemen worth 4 to 5 million. I'd also look for depth forwards in the mould of Samuelsson who are older, experienced but have the ability to put up points and have won the cup; Ray Whitney comes to mind, but he is now too old.

Ideally I suppose I'm with the majority, a top 4 defenseman who is tough and proven and a top six forward who has offensive flair.

As for trading Burrows? I don't see much return for a 30-something winger who peaked playing with the Twins when they were playing out of their minds. Burrows is a forever a Canuck. Don't want to see him go, nor do I see much value in it. He's way more valuable to Vancouver than he would be to any other team.

The way this team will get better is through cutting dead weight and attempting to sign the great players who are becoming available. Unfortunately they are few and far between, and will be highly sought after.

And I'm aware this is not happening, but Parise and Suter would look f-ing great in Canucks colours.

And with that, this should be my last post for a while. I need to spend some time caring less about something I have absolutely no control over. The Canucks got worked by an inferior 8th seed and have lost 4 in a row on home ice in the playoffs, that's pathetic, and yet I had absolutely nothing to do with it. So for now, I shall retire from posting but will likely be back in the fall when it's that time of year once again. Cheers my friends.

PS: It makes me sick that it could easily be St. Louis, Phoenix, Nashville and L.A in the 2nd round. Meaning one of those horrid teams will be in the SCF this season. The only other alternative is Chicago. Vomit.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby donlever » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:14 am

Farhan Lalji wrote:Canucks need Rick Nash.

/end discussion.


......end of discussion other than who gets Nash and Kesler the puck and who breaks up the inevitable donny brook as they both the disc it all the time.

Other than that 'sallgood bro..

I thought you quit?

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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Aaronp18 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:28 am

A guy that comes to mind that may work well with Kesler is Zach Parise.

Get Kassian in Canucks shape and we could see a decent second line. Or keep Higgins on that line and it could be very well rounded.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Cornuck » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:32 am

What would it take to get Edmonton's first round pick? :D
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Aaronp18 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:36 am

Cornuck wrote:What would it take to get Edmonton's first round pick? :D


Schneider
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Cornuck » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:42 am

Aaronp18 wrote:
Cornuck wrote:What would it take to get Edmonton's first round pick? :D


Schneider


Let me think on that one...
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Fred » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:55 am

In a Cap era there has to be value placed on all players like it or not. IMO the 'Nucks have to many players of the same skill set. Maybe Keslers days as a centre have come to an end, ( and if so the question has to be asked why did they trade Hodgson ) assuming there's a skilled centre out there they can get hold of. Richards went to the NYR, TO on the other hand had to settle on Connolly. Right now the team has no 2nd line threat, teams/coaches are at last coming to terms with the Sedins style. You can list players that you want to get rid of but that's mostly because they're average and have duplicate skills. Some players are playing roles that they're not suited for or we're trying to get some thing out of them they don't have. Of all the forwards we have ONE play maker and then a list of average wingers. It's just a case of pickum and this is where the value part comes in.

Most of all the Pro scouts have to be changed up. Eric Crawford ( he of the Kassian is great brigade ) and Lorne Henning. Either they're getting the wrong instructions as to what we need or they're unable to spot a hockey puck at fifty paces.

IMO every line would preferably consist of a play maker, a shooter, and a corner man. Our current 2nd line has an entire line of shooters, individuals.

There has to be a re think of what we need going forward, identify the best of that bunch and do what ever is required to find/obtain one, and to me it's a play making centre. The team became, apparently by choice, a one line team again

The next questions is will Schroeder be that player or is the shelf life of the Sedins so short that we need to find a ready made play maker, can we afford to let Schroeder a year to settle in.

The Canucks had some thing special but it's slipping away. Yes they won the Presidents trophy but IMO from the Boston game forward it was a lot of smoke and mirrors, good fortune rather than good play.

If Mike Gillis is to be "the man" it's going to interesting to see what his reaction is this summer. I doubt if we're going to hear much more than the party line, but it's his action that will do the talking.

The defence has some skill but frankly opposing players have little fear to the Canucks crease. The skill set is average to above average. There 4 keepers IMO Edler, Bieska, Tanev and Hamhuis....the rest you can find similar skills any where. To much and to many journeymen D rather than bring replacements ar required up from the minors in case of injury.

Goal tending which ever way you go you win as long as it includes Schneider :D
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:59 am

Well, at least we won the President's Trophy. *LOL*

Seriously, First order of business, the Canucks need to decide on Lou/Schneids. It was nice to have 2 goalies that can play, but they both want to and deserve to be the #1 top dog on a team. I'd rather keep Schneids; however if Lou wants to stay, then we'd better get a kings ransom return for Schneids. Just sign a cheap backup who can play 10-20 games or promote Lack to full time NHLer. I personally like Lack alot and would luv to give him a decent shot to become full time backup.

Canucks need to decide on Pahlsson/Malhotra. Having them both around is a bit redundant, they're too similar. If the Nucks think the eye injury has hampered Manny too much to be effective on the 3rd line anymore, then it'd be best to trade, cut, buy out or waive Manny and use that money to sign Pahlsson. Manny's $2.5 is too much for a 4th liner/face off specialist. LapDawg should go back to the 4th line and he's perfect cuz he can push to play on the 3rd line as well.

Salo/Raymond: like them both, but might be best to let them both walk. One looks like he's getting too old and the other looks good at times with his speed and flash and dash, but doesn't produce the consistent results.

Booth/Ballard: Never really liked them both, would be nice to move them mainly cuz of their salaries. They cost too much for the roles they play and would be nice to free up some salary to use elsewhere. I was surprised AV played Baltard that much in the playoffs and ahead of his fave Rome too. Baltard actually played decent out there, so they might keep him around. I'd like to keep Romeo around, if he's willing to stay for the 800k/year. I think he's the perfect 6th-7th D-man, but he might see greener pastures elsewhere.

Was watching Seeking Stanley, and Cliffy Ronning was saying the Nucks could really use a legitmate pure goal scorer. Would be nice, but not sure who's realistically available for this club. After the Nucks lost to Boston, I felt the Nucks were too soft/small throughout the lineup and Gillis didn't do much to address the issue. Kassian, Bitz and Weise was it and all were used sparingly. PJ Stock was saying the Kings with their bigger bodies was just too much and intimidating for the Canucks; Kings basically adopted a Phillie type approach by getting bigger bodies that can play, teams built to win a gruelling 7 game series. I think he's right and there are a few free agents I would luv to see the Canucks make their priorty: Shane Doan, Bryan Allen and Travis Moen. Obviously a lot can change between now and July 1st, but those are the type of guys I think we need more of. I don't mind sacrificing some skill and points in the reg season for a few foot soliders that are tuff to play against, play with a lot of grit/jam and score some ugly, hardworking, greasy goals.

I wouldn't panic too much yet. I think we still have a 1-2 year window to try to win with the core of this team, but obviously there needs to be some major retinkering with some of the supporting cast. Losing to an 8th seed was obviously disappointing and a setback, but hopefully a long 6 months will give our guys a chance to heal up, work on some things and make them hungry to come back with a solid season next year.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby SKYO » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:55 pm

Jovocop wrote:
dbr wrote:If we could get the No. 1 dman without giving up Edler, it would be great. However, if Edler is a part of the package to get the No. 1 dman, I am all for it.

Yeah if we trade Edler for Weber for instance, Hammy would move up to play with him, and then all we would need is to do is get another tough stay at home dman to play with Juice.

Bally - Tanev is a decent combo albeit expensive for the bottom pairing.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby donlever » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:03 pm

If what we saw in the latter portion of the year and in the playoffs from Ballard is a player getting his mojo back Shea Weber and Keith Ballard could look pretty good together as a duo.

Nashville keeps their American and moves Weber we can use Edler in the deal...

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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Larry Goodenough » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:26 pm

I suspect Luongo has trade value as there are a startling number of teams needing goaltending. The question is how long will his list be - the longer the more value he'll have.

But, what is interesting is the suggestion the new CBA for next season may allow for another one time buyout of players to allow teams to get under a reduced cap?
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby Larry Goodenough » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:29 pm

donlever wrote:If what we saw in the latter portion of the year and in the playoffs from Ballard is a player getting his mojo back Shea Weber and Keith Ballard could look pretty good together as a duo.

Nashville keeps their American and moves Weber we can use Edler in the deal...

Bieksa Hammer
Weber Ballard
Tanev



I love the idea of Weber. But I would think the deeper Nashville goes into the playoffs, the more he'd be willing to stay.

Here's hoping Rinne regresses next series as Detroit dominated the Predators. But do you see him regressing against Phoenix?
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:31 pm

Larry Goodenough wrote:I suspect Luongo has trade value as there are a startling number of teams needing goaltending. The question is how long will his list be - the longer the more value he'll have.

But, what is interesting is the suggestion the new CBA for next season may allow for another one time buyout of players to allow teams to get under a reduced cap?


what would it cost Aquaman to buy out Roberto I wonder? would he make an offer he can't refuse?
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Re: Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

Postby donlever » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:33 pm

Larry Goodenough wrote:
I love the idea of Weber. But I would think the deeper Nashville goes into the playoffs, the more he'd be willing to stay.



Very possibly true.

However, can they afford to keep he and Suter both?

If not a couple of things may work in our favour if a deal is to be made.

Hammer is a close buddy of his.

Obviously he is local.

The salary consideration may work itself out (i.e. Edler new deal 5 mill Luo 5.3 mill (both dealt Edler in the deal for Shea) versus Weber 7 mill Schneids 3.5 mill type of thing).....
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