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Hey Fred, I'm sure you have heard this many times - You can teach defense, but you can't teach skill.
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Harrison Mooney takes a look the early returns on the Hodgson/Kassian trade. Unsurprisingly, Cody has produced more than Zack, but his other numbers give a good indication of why Gillis traded him. "Since arriving in Buffalo 18 games ago, Hodgson has been on the ice for 15 Buffalo goals. However, he's been on the ice for 18 of the Sabres' 44 goals against. That's 41% of them." | PITB
I don't think he may ever be a responsible down low cover guy and if he wants to be good in the NHL that's a must
Well like Kassian, Hodgson is still very young and raw. He'll need time to develop and learn. He can be a wizard in the offensive zone, but he lacks the size and ability to battle along the wall or in the defensive zone. He'll either get stronger, or be more efficient in his coverage. There's little doubt in my mind he will be a productive NHL centre. There was just no space for him on this team for the next couple years.

It was a hockey trade, folks. I think it's more telling about the teams that Buffalo really needs him to produce right now and the Canucks couldn't afford to have him cost us. The agent/parent issues for a prospect couldn't help either.

I also think Gillis was happy with the bigger, meaner players we already have (ie Bitz), and wasn't realistically predicting Kassian having an impact this offseason. It must've been icing on the cake to see other players give Kassian space (re: respect) whenever he skated into a scrum. 21 year old rookie that nobody wants a piece of... nice.
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Fred wrote:
I know fans want Kassian to be a monster out there and have the skills of Henrik but at this point he is what he is. Some times I'm wondering if he might go to the wrong bench for a line change :D He just doesn't seem to be adjusting IMO. Bitz on the other hand is more NHL ready...assuming his health is OK...

I'm hoping Kassian comes back next year knowing what to expect and ready to deal with it, but that's next season we still have a lot to do this season
It's as plain as day for those who can call a spade a spade instead going all 'see no monkey, hear no monkey' regarding Kassian. The kid is a project and a project is what this team 'currently' does not need. But ya know, I'm a troll for saying anything untoward against Kassian.

When the trade was made everyone was all "great trade, we now have some toughness who can play on the top 3 lines for when we play the Bruins of the world". For about a week after the trade the media kept showing footage of Lucic beating people up and Marchand taking liberties on the Sedins, etc., as to what Kassian was brought in to do, to add an element of toughness on the top 3 lines in which he clearly isn't ready to do. The kid needs kid gloves right now, but he was suppose to be ready to take on the challenge of being our supposed Lucic RIGHT NOW. I mean, everyone kept going on about how we need to get tougher, we need to get tougher in our top 3 lines. "trade for Ott, trade for Neil", etc. Come to Kassian/Hodgson trade "GREAT WE HAVE THAT GUY". 16 games later, the kid looks completely lost out there. But hey, we have Pahlsson.

IMO, you just don't trade a player of Hodgson's skill set and on ice vision and current state of maturity in play for a project like Kassian with the win now mentality. It's like taking one step forward and two steps backwards. We now struggle to score goals, our 2nd line has completely disappeared and we are going back to Bitz. Don't get it. But hey, shoot me for not liking the Kassian/Hodgson trade, I'm not suppose to say anything bad about it. I should be more focused on tearing strips of a player named Mason Raymond who was nearly made a paraplegic at the beginning of last summer and spent the off-season in a brace and not afforded the proper luxury to properly train for the next season. I must completely ignore that and then wonder why he looks weak on his skates. I mean, if anyone has ever had back issues like myself, you will know that if you have back issues that there is a serious impact from that affecting your core strength and especially leg strength, in which both of those are very important to playing hockey. I mean, I made the same mistake in criticizing Hodgson at first because I bought into everyone saying that Hodgson has skating issues, when it was his back problems that made him look so weak on his skates at first. See what a solid off-season of training, injury free in that off-season can do for a player's strength? I was sold. But hey, Raymond ain't allowed excuses but Malhotra and Kassian and Booth are. "He falls down a lot, he falls down a lot!" like it's a fucking mystery as to why.

Regarding Skill vs Toughness. I saw a game last night - St. Louis vs Detroit in the madhouse of St. Louis where the Blues were throwing all kinds of toughness at the Red Wings every shift, even Babcock commented about the tough play of the Blues. The end result, Skill won in the end. Skills sells tickets, skill wins games.
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The thing is BD, everyone slagged the Sedans (<see wot) and Hodgson when they were 'projects' and first started playing on the team, so cut the guy some slack is all, pick on someone your own size and mob....like Luongooooooooooooooo :mrgreen:
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It would have been nice to have landed Foligno instead of Kassian.
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RoyalDude wrote:
Fred wrote:
I know fans want Kassian to be a monster out there and have the skills of Henrik but at this point he is what he is. Some times I'm wondering if he might go to the wrong bench for a line change :D He just doesn't seem to be adjusting IMO. Bitz on the other hand is more NHL ready...assuming his health is OK...

I'm hoping Kassian comes back next year knowing what to expect and ready to deal with it, but that's next season we still have a lot to do this season
It's as plain as day for those who can call a spade a spade instead going all 'see no monkey, hear no monkey' regarding Kassian. The kid is a project and a project is what this team 'currently' does not need. But ya know, I'm a troll for saying anything untoward against Kassian.

When the trade was made everyone was all "great trade, we now have some toughness who can play on the top 3 lines for when we play the Bruins of the world". For about a week after the trade the media kept showing footage of Lucic beating people up and Marchand taking liberties on the Sedins, etc., as to what Kassian was brought in to do, to add an element of toughness on the top 3 lines in which he clearly isn't ready to do. The kid needs kid gloves right now, but he was suppose to be ready to take on the challenge of being our supposed Lucic RIGHT NOW. I mean, everyone kept going on about how we need to get tougher, we need to get tougher in our top 3 lines. "trade for Ott, trade for Neil", etc. Come to Kassian/Hodgson trade "GREAT WE HAVE THAT GUY". 16 games later, the kid looks completely lost out there. But hey, we have Pahlsson.

IMO, you just don't trade a player of Hodgson's skill set and on ice vision and current state of maturity in play for a project like Kassian with the win now mentality. It's like taking one step forward and two steps backwards. We now struggle to score goals, our 2nd line has completely disappeared and we are going back to Bitz. Don't get it. But hey, shoot me for not liking the Kassian/Hodgson trade, I'm not suppose to say anything bad about it. I should be more focused on tearing strips of a player named Mason Raymond who was nearly made a paraplegic at the beginning of last summer and spent the off-season in a brace and not afforded the proper luxury to properly train for the next season. I must completely ignore that and then wonder why he looks weak on his skates. I mean, if anyone has ever had back issues like myself, you will know that if you have back issues that there is a serious impact from that affecting your core strength and especially leg strength, in which both of those are very important to playing hockey. I mean, I made the same mistake in criticizing Hodgson at first because I bought into everyone saying that Hodgson has skating issues, when it was his back problems that made him look so weak on his skates at first. See what a solid off-season of training, injury free in that off-season can do for a player's strength? I was sold. But hey, Raymond ain't allowed excuses but Malhotra and Kassian and Booth are. "He falls down a lot, he falls down a lot!" like it's a fucking mystery as to why.

Regarding Skill vs Toughness. I saw a game last night - St. Louis vs Detroit in the madhouse of St. Louis where the Blues were throwing all kinds of toughness at the Red Wings every shift, even Babcock commented about the tough play of the Blues. The end result, Skill won in the end. Skills sells tickets, skill wins games.
:lol: You're no troll, you're a tired old man that listens to chick flick music and uses viagra to go bowling! Bowling! 8-)

The thing is BD, everyone slagged the Sedans (<see wot) and Hodgson when they were 'projects' and first started playing on the team, so cut the guy some slack is all, pick on someone your own size and mob....like Luongooooooooooooooo :mrgreen:

But Spidey, Kassian was supposed to help us now! I thought that's what we needed going forward into this years playoffs?

But now our biggest problem is scoring, ie the 2nd line! Are we relying on Lappy and Burrows to do all our scoring? Hank 2 goals in 38 games. Kesler? Raymond? Booth? Over the long haul it's gonna be your big guns/mesh ripplers that take you to the promised land.
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Arachnid wrote:The thing is BD, everyone slagged the Sedans (<see wot) and Hodgson when they were 'projects' and first started playing on the team, so cut the guy some slack is all, pick on someone your own size and mob....like Luongooooooooooooooo :mrgreen:
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It sure would be nice to know what those apparent 4 other teams who had offers on the table for Hodgson were offering. I don't mind trading Hodgson, I just think Gillis could have done better.
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RoyalDude wrote:It sure would be nice to know what those apparent 4 other teams who had offers on the table for Hodgson were offering. I don't mind trading Hodgson, I just think Gillis could have done better.
So you would have wanted to trade for a top 6 forward that can help now? Help with the scoring deficiencies this team has in the here and now?
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Topper wrote:
Arachnid wrote:The thing is BD, everyone slagged the Sedans (<see wot) and Hodgson when they were 'projects' and first started playing on the team, so cut the guy some slack is all, pick on someone your own size and mob....like Luongooooooooooooooo :mrgreen:
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RoyalDude wrote:
It's as plain as day for those who can call a spade a spade instead going all 'see no monkey, hear no monkey' regarding Kassian. The kid is a project and a project is what this team 'currently' does not need. But ya know, I'm a troll for saying anything untoward against Kassian.

When the trade was made everyone was all "great trade, we now have some toughness who can play on the top 3 lines for when we play the Bruins of the world". For about a week after the trade the media kept showing footage of Lucic beating people up and Marchand taking liberties on the Sedins, etc., as to what Kassian was brought in to do, to add an element of toughness on the top 3 lines in which he clearly isn't ready to do. The kid needs kid gloves right now, but he was suppose to be ready to take on the challenge of being our supposed Lucic RIGHT NOW. I mean, everyone kept going on about how we need to get tougher, we need to get tougher in our top 3 lines. "trade for Ott, trade for Neil", etc. Come to Kassian/Hodgson trade "GREAT WE HAVE THAT GUY". 16 games later, the kid looks completely lost out there. But hey, we have Pahlsson.

IMO, you just don't trade a player of Hodgson's skill set and on ice vision and current state of maturity in play for a project like Kassian with the win now mentality. It's like taking one step forward and two steps backwards. We now struggle to score goals, our 2nd line has completely disappeared and we are going back to Bitz. Don't get it. But hey, shoot me for not liking the Kassian/Hodgson trade, I'm not suppose to say anything bad about it. I should be more focused on tearing strips of a player named Mason Raymond who was nearly made a paraplegic at the beginning of last summer and spent the off-season in a brace and not afforded the proper luxury to properly train for the next season. I must completely ignore that and then wonder why he looks weak on his skates. I mean, if anyone has ever had back issues like myself, you will know that if you have back issues that there is a serious impact from that affecting your core strength and especially leg strength, in which both of those are very important to playing hockey. I mean, I made the same mistake in criticizing Hodgson at first because I bought into everyone saying that Hodgson has skating issues, when it was his back problems that made him look so weak on his skates at first. See what a solid off-season of training, injury free in that off-season can do for a player's strength? I was sold. But hey, Raymond ain't allowed excuses but Malhotra and Kassian and Booth are. "He falls down a lot, he falls down a lot!" like it's a fucking mystery as to why.

Regarding Skill vs Toughness. I saw a game last night - St. Louis vs Detroit in the madhouse of St. Louis where the Blues were throwing all kinds of toughness at the Red Wings every shift, even Babcock commented about the tough play of the Blues. The end result, Skill won in the end. Skills sells tickets, skill wins games.
Great post RoyalDude.

I agree with about 97% of this.

The only thing I'll say is that the time to move Hodgson may have been now unfortunately. Daddy was acting like a major bitch and the last thing this team needed was a snowballing issue.

I also do wonder as to what we else we could have acquired for Hodgson. Kassian's upside is tremendous.....but how much will he help us now?

The playoffs are different beast and so I won't lay judgement on him or the trade yet, but I hope that we does provide the toughness and occassional scoring that we were promised.
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RoyalDude wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
:lol: You're no troll, you're a tired old man that listens to chick flick music and uses viagra to go bowling! Bowling! 8-)

The thing is BD, everyone slagged the Sedans (<see wot) and Hodgson when they were 'projects' and first started playing on the team, so cut the guy some slack is all, pick on someone your own size and mob....like Luongooooooooooooooo :mrgreen:

But Spidey, Kassian was supposed to help us now! I thought that's what we needed going forward into this years playoffs?

But now our biggest problem is scoring, ie the 2nd line! Are we relying on Lappy and Burrows to do all our scoring? Hank 2 goals in 38 games. Kesler? Raymond? Booth? Over the long haul it's gonna be your big guns/mesh ripplers that take you to the promised land.
No, Pahlson replaced Hodgson, we already have toughness in the form of Bitz and Weise, Kassian is just a prospect. I know in a perfect world it would be tit for tat but we lacked a true power forward prospect in our system.

The Zack™ is not the saviour or playoff catalyst that the media would have you believe, stop drinking that water. He's just a decent prospect for his skill/age/style. He may or may not help in the run. Was Hodgson going to? No.

Let's talk in June again until then I'm gonna enjoy the post-season with what we got, I think this team is deeper than last years, the thing is, are other teams deeper?

Do you think the Sabres will squeak in? And if they do will you watch that series and see CoHos performance. If the Canucks aren't playing that night I might. It's like watch your hot ex-girlfriend make'n out with some dweeb that thinks he's cool but not quite there yet... :evil:
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No, Pahlson replaced Hodgson,
Are you trying to put me in a foul mood, Spidey? :mad:
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RoyalDude wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
No, Pahlson replaced Hodgson,
Are you trying to put me in a foul mood, Spidey? :mad:
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