The Sedin & Keith Affair

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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby coco_canuck » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:51 pm

Cornuck wrote:Which would fit in great with their stated goals of 'protecting the players' and 'generating offense'. Except that the theory upsets the parity applecart - and we can't have that, can we?


I've given up trying to figure out what they're up to really. All I know is the NHL head-office needs a major regime change.
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby Arachnid » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:40 pm

Concussed! http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=391442

Have a nice 5 game rest Duncan....see you in the playoffs, hopefully...watch out for retribution Canuck style in the form of 33... 8-)
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby Topper » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:54 pm

Throughout this whole discussion, it has been reported that Shanahan is on record saying he does not believe punishment is a deterrent. He looks more at a education process, videos of what is accepted and what isn't as an example, to change the behaviour of the players.

The penalty handed out to Keith was exactly along the lines of other punishments handed out so far. It was the wild inconsistencies and lack of transparency that drove us nuts with Campbell's decision process. Shanahan has gone miles to correct that.

Maybe peoples expectation went up when the hearing was changed from telephone to in person. That decision just gave Shanahan more leeway if more info had come to light. At the end of the day, Keith is a first time offender, was contrite in his admission that the hit was out of line (unlike a certain Rat face bear with a misspelled tattoo on his chest) and was apologetic to his victim. Other than hauling himself out back, whipping himself with rose bushes and accepting Christ as his Savior, Duncan could not have shown more signs of contrition.

What next, a discussion on weather the behaviour is genetic or culturally instilled by coaching from the minors upward?
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby mathonwy » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:56 pm

Doesn't it seem like we're fated to play the Blackhawks again in the post season?

All of this bullshit leads me to believe that we'll be dancing with the Chelsea faggers again soon.
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby dbr » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:57 pm

Arachnid wrote:Concussed! http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=391442

Have a nice 5 game rest Duncan....see you in the playoffs, hopefully...watch out for retribution Canuck style in the form of 33... 8-)


From the article:

However, Vigneault dismissed the severity of Daniel Sedin's hit on Keith.

"The only surprise there was that Danny hit someone," said Vigneault with a slight chuckle. "I'm not sure exactly what happened on that, because Danny and Hank aren't the guys that are the most physical across the league. They'll throw the odd hit in there, but usually it's not a bone-crushing hit."


Ahh AV, there's a certain charm in a coach who is willing to mock his injured player..
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby LotusBlossom » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:23 pm

Topper wrote:Throughout this whole discussion, it has been reported that Shanahan is on record saying he does not believe punishment is a deterrent. He looks more at a education process, videos of what is accepted and what isn't as an example, to change the behaviour of the players.

The penalty handed out to Keith was exactly along the lines of other punishments handed out so far. It was the wild inconsistencies and lack of transparency that drove us nuts with Campbell's decision process. Shanahan has gone miles to correct that.

Maybe peoples expectation went up when the hearing was changed from telephone to in person. That decision just gave Shanahan more leeway if more info had come to light. At the end of the day, Keith is a first time offender, was contrite in his admission that the hit was out of line (unlike a certain Rat face bear with a misspelled tattoo on his chest) and was apologetic to his victim. Other than hauling himself out back, whipping himself with rose bushes and accepting Christ as his Savior, Duncan could not have shown more signs of contrition.

What next, a discussion on weather the behaviour is genetic or culturally instilled by coaching from the minors upward?


Shanny's consistency on previous shots to the head like the Keith one, is about the only thing the NHL can salvage from their past disciplinary actions. It's a hard and thankless job and I for one would like to see it continue. Now if the NHL takes a few more lessons from the NFL instead of the NBA, the league would be a much better product for the paying fans to watch, both on and off the ice.
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby UWSaint » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Topper wrote:Throughout this whole discussion, it has been reported that Shanahan is on record saying he does not believe punishment is a deterrent. He looks more at a education process, videos of what is accepted and what isn't as an example, to change the behaviour of the players.

The penalty handed out to Keith was exactly along the lines of other punishments handed out so far. It was the wild inconsistencies and lack of transparency that drove us nuts with Campbell's decision process. Shanahan has gone miles to correct that.

Maybe peoples expectation went up when the hearing was changed from telephone to in person. That decision just gave Shanahan more leeway if more info had come to light. At the end of the day, Keith is a first time offender, was contrite in his admission that the hit was out of line (unlike a certain Rat face bear with a misspelled tattoo on his chest) and was apologetic to his victim. Other than hauling himself out back, whipping himself with rose bushes and accepting Christ as his Savior, Duncan could not have shown more signs of contrition.


2 points.

Well maybe 1.85 points.

You shouldn't be so dismissive of public flagellation.
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby wafflecombine » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:57 pm

Under normal circumstances I would agree but something that was missed and its a damn shame that Ron Mclean brought up was the fact Keith "isn't a first time offender". HNIC had tape of Keith doing the exact same thing to Matt Cooke last year. Hit happened... Keith got angry and then later came in, led with the elbow and took Cookie right in the head.

2 min penalty but nothing else. Cooke didn't sustain injury but lets face it, Cooke's head is rock hard (and I kinda always liked the cookie monster when he played for us).

Bottom line, If Shanny wants to dig he can find precedent. If he wants to find audio confirmation of the threats made, he can find it. How many parabolic mikes are in a building at any given time trained on the players..... how much jawing between benches is heard.

Either way, if Shanny wanted precedent and evidence, it was there for the taking and given Chicago's schedule at that exact moment, he had the time to go looking for it.

meh, can't change the past. Hopefully we can send that POS (Keith) a signed photo of Daniel drinking from the cup, after scoring the winning goal in the SCF. "Wish you were here bitch, Best Regards, D"
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby dbr » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:11 pm

Repeat offender is a very specific term in the context of supplemental discipline, though - to be a repeat offender Keith would have to have a prior suspension (not a prior two minute penalty where he was lucky not to injure the player he elbowed) and it would have to be within eighteen months.

So for example as of the start of next season Matt freaking Cooke will no longer be a repeat offender in the eyes of the league.
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby clem » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:09 pm

Injured Vancouver Canuck scorer Daniel Sedin should be ready for the start of the Stanley Cup playoffs in two weeks, general manager Mike Gillis confirmed Thursday.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Canucks+star+Daniel+Sedin+should+ready+playoffs+Mike+Gillis/6381903/story.html
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby Fred » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:41 pm

I see Chicago continues to sit out Duncan Keith, his suspension is over but he was missing in the Minny game yesterday for sure
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby donlever » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:47 pm

...last nights game was the the teams 5th since Keith was suspended.

I imagine he plays Thursday.
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby Zamboni Driver » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:12 pm

dbr wrote:Repeat offender is a very specific term in the context of supplemental discipline, though - to be a repeat offender Keith would have to have a prior suspension (not a prior two minute penalty where he was lucky not to injure the player he elbowed) and it would have to be within eighteen months.

So for example as of the start of next season Matt freaking Cooke will no longer be a repeat offender in the eyes of the league.


It's still Bulls**t.
Make the offending player's team sit out a player of equal value to the player that gets injured on a flagrant "intent to injure" penalty.

Daniel out for 15 games? - Chicago loses Kane or Toews for 15 games. I'll bet you won't see that kind of crap again
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby Arachnid » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:09 am

Well well we'll...looks like the rest of the NHL is beginning to look at it from a Canuck perspective....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... le2402938/
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Re: The Sedin & Keith Affair

Postby Per » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:08 am

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"That was 2010, back when I had 11 of my teeth left. I'm down to 4 now. I lost 5 of them ironically enough by elbowing myself in the face while brushing my teeth," explains Keith.
http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/03/23/duncan-keith-vs-the-shanaban-the-results/

:?

1) Daniel shouldn't take the elbow to the face personally, Keith does it even to himself

2) Keith must suffer from hypermobility of his joints. There's no way a normal person can elbow himself in the face by accident and knock five teeth out. :hmmm:
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