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Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Zamboni Driver » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:07 pm

All of the pundits seem to be sure that Schneider has to go by July.

What if Luongo has another swoon in the playoffs?

Is there any way that we can keep Schneider for next year?
If the cap goes up by 2 or 3 million, I'd much prefer to keep CS for a couple million more rather than spend it anywhere else.

There are cases where a top $$$ goalie gets injured (Ryan Miller, DePietro) or just has a crap year.
I like the idea of having CS as well as Lu, even if it eats up some more cap.
If you promised CS half the games, I wonder if he'd sign on for a couple more years?
(again, this would be if Lu chokes in the playoffs this year)
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Mark2 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:45 pm

There is certainly nothing wrong with having two starting-caliber goalies. The only problem is thinking down the road a little bit. Burrows and Edler are both free agents after next season and will probably command significant raises. So keeping Schneider might involve moving people like Ballard and letting guys like Raymond and Malhotra go when they become free agents.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Fred » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:38 pm

I'd think logic tells us that Lack needs another season in the AHL so IMO he'll try and keep Schneider....now if Luongo/or his wife wants to return to Florida with TB. Then maybe MG might pull the trade. I don't believe many realized how good Schneider would become when they signed Luongo long term.

I guess the big payment is over with Luongo and he's now a reasonable priced quality keeper.

What will the Cap be after the new CBA ? I'm guessing that will be the key
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby dhabums » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:57 pm

Zamboni Driver wrote:All of the pundits seem to be sure that Schneider has to go by July.

What if Luongo has another swoon in the playoffs?

Is there any way that we can keep Schneider for next year?
If the cap goes up by 2 or 3 million, I'd much prefer to keep CS for a couple million more rather than spend it anywhere else.

There are cases where a top $$$ goalie gets injured (Ryan Miller, DePietro) or just has a crap year.
I like the idea of having CS as well as Lu, even if it eats up some more cap.
If you promised CS half the games, I wonder if he'd sign on for a couple more years?
(again, this would be if Lu chokes in the playoffs this year)


I do not think the cap is going up by 2-3M.

We trade Schneider if the return is right. Hell, we trade ANYONE if the return is right.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:18 am

So many variables. First he is RFA and I imagine if he isn't re-signed the Canucks will elect to go to arbitration to prevent an offer sheet.

It depends upon how Luongo does in the playoffs.
It depends upon how the team does in the playoffs.
It depends upon whether Cory wants out or wants to sign on for a couple of years and enjoy the ride.
It depends upon the confidence or lack thereof that the Canucks have in Luongo.
It depends upon whether Luongo wants to stay.

The short answer is there is nothing preventing us from hanging onto Cory next year. We either sign him or take him to arbitration and accept the arbitrators decision. Done and done.

It's the bigger picture stuff that has to sort itself out between now and July 1st. No question we can in all likelihood get a king's ransom for him after the playoffs. But I think MG is smart enough, and he proved it by not trading him now, to wait and see what unfolds.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Zamboni Driver » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:26 am

Fred wrote:I'd think logic tells us that Lack needs another season in the AHL so IMO he'll try and keep Schneider....now if Luongo/or his wife wants to return to Florida with TB. Then maybe MG might pull the trade. I don't believe many realized how good Schneider would become when they signed Luongo long term.

I guess the big payment is over with Luongo and he's now a reasonable priced quality keeper.
What will the Cap be after the new CBA ? I'm guessing that will be the key


Interesting idea. Considering how many goalies have now signed in the $6 - $7 mil range, Luongo's cap & dollar are looking a lot more reasonable.
Also the teams that have gone on the cheap this season, (Toronto's Reimer -$1.8 mil, Washington's Volkun -$1.5 mil) have gotten inconsistant goalkeeping for their bargain $$$.
Investing $5.3 mil in Luongo now looks a lot more attractive to other teams too. :mrgreen:

Mark2 wrote:There is certainly nothing wrong with having two starting-caliber goalies. The only problem is thinking down the road a little bit. Burrows and Edler are both free agents after next season and will probably command significant raises. So keeping Schneider might involve moving people like Ballard and letting guys like Raymond and Malhotra go when they become free agents.


As long as Schneider's deal doesn't have an NTC (or if it kicks in year 2), perhaps trade him after next season, bring up Eddie and bump Edler & Burrows salaries.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby dbr » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:46 am

I'd have no problem re-signing Schneider for 2-3 years if he'll take it - lots of goalies out there with about as much proven at this level as CS have signed for at or below the $2.5m mark that makes his contract easy to afford.

I think if he wants a one year deal or if you have to go to arbitration (or if someone makes an offer you just aren't going to get at any other time) then you look at trading him. His value as a pending unrestricted free agent will go into the toilet and the Canucks almost certainly won't be able to re-sign him with open competition from other teams.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby donlever » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:53 am

..personally, if I am Cory Schneider, I'm looking to move on (assuming Luongo is going to stay here) and take on a #1 role elsewhere.

The Canucks have some control due to his free agency status but if you don't strive to be the #1 QB you probably aren't worthy of being one.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Arachnid » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:01 am

Hockey Widow wrote:So many variables. First he is RFA and I imagine if he isn't re-signed the Canucks will elect to go to arbitration to prevent an offer sheet.

It depends upon how Luongo does in the playoffs.
It depends upon how the team does in the playoffs.
It depends upon whether Cory wants out or wants to sign on for a couple of years and enjoy the ride.
It depends upon the confidence or lack thereof that the Canucks have in Luongo.
It depends upon whether Luongo wants to stay.

The short answer is there is nothing preventing us from hanging onto Cory next year. We either sign him or take him to arbitration and accept the arbitrators decision. Done and done.

It's the bigger picture stuff that has to sort itself out between now and July 1st. No question we can in all likelihood get a king's ransom for him after the playoffs. But I think MG is smart enough, and he proved it by not trading him now, to wait and see what unfolds.


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It depends....too early to speculate. I think the plan is to trade him for a scoring winger or a big shutdown D but that could change....

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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby dbr » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:13 am

donlever wrote:..personally, if I am Cory Schneider, I'm looking to move on (assuming Luongo is going to stay here) and take on a #1 role elsewhere.

The Canucks have some control due to his free agency status but if you don't strive to be the #1 QB you probably aren't worthy of being one.


Yeah. I guess this whole thing depends on whether the Canucks are interested in making room for Schneider eventually.

If so then I think you can neutralize this aspect of negotiations by letting him know that he will be a #1 before the end of the deal, one way or another.

If not then it's high time to find a mutually agreeable arrangement with Cory starting games for a team we play once or twice a year at most.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby donlever » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:16 am

dbr wrote:
If so then I think you can neutralize this aspect of negotiations by letting him know that he will be a #1 before the end of the deal, one way or another.



I think if you are going to do this you have to just do it.

Having the impending goalie change hang over the heads of Luo and Schneids for any period of time can't be a healthy scenario.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby dbr » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:22 am

True enough. I was thinking you'd be hedging your bets in that you could still just deal Schneider if a Luongo trade wasn't happening for whatever reason - but that's just one of two outcomes and I suppose it would be pretty unlike our GM to let one player know that another was likely to be moved.
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby donlever » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:24 am

..indeed.

I see no way to assuage Luongos potential concern over this occuring.

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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:38 am

I think Lack needs another season easily in the AHL. So if we trade Schneider, which I think is the likeliest scenario by far, it would be nice to get a decent back up in return.

I wouldn't even consider anything Tampa could offer up. Sanford has been pretty solid this season and has some history here. Another guy that used to be a back up here and I believe will be a UFA is Raycroft. I'm sure at this stage he'd come here to back up Lou.

The devils could also be a team very interested in CS. and Johan Hedberg will be a UFA.

btw- I'm not specifically trying to pick ex-Canucks... it just turned out that way.

..... oh, and Alex Auld will also be a UFA. :mrgreen:
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Re: Do we trade Schneider after the season?

Postby mathonwy » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:40 am

donlever wrote:..indeed.

I see no way to assuage Luongos potential concern over this occuring.

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We need some hot puck girls to be responsible for the assuaging.
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