Trade Deadline Discussion

[coco_canuck]

My take on the Quincey addition for Wings:

They get a 26-year old puck moving d-man who is RFA at the end of the year for what will be a low 1st round pick.

The speculation that he's set to replace Stuart next year aside, the Wings 3rd D-pair had Ericsson and one of Kindl or Commodore in the 6th spot. Not only did the Wings need an upgrade on the 3rd pair, they clearly needed more depth, and they're now 8 deep on the back-end.

It's always costly giving up a 1st, but answering a clear need and getting a guy beyond one season is a decent return for a 1st near the deadline.

As for how Quincey fits in Detroit, he'll play sheltered, offensive minutes on the 3rd pair against other teams' bottom 6 forwards, and it's a role he should do well in by moving the puck up ice quickly and joining offensive openings when they arise.

Quincey's problems have always been in his own end, with turnovers and an inconsistent physical game. Although he played big minutes for a team like Colorado, he's not bets suited as a heavily relied upon top 4 d-man. Granted, he can be solid on the 2nd pair if he's matched up with a very good defensive partner who can cover for Quincey's mistakes, but in general terms, if you're turning to Quincey to be a mainstay in your top 4, your defense most likely isn't as good as it should be.

All in all, the Wings made a good addition, but as for how it relates to Vancouver, the main separation between the Canucks and the Wings is the quality of Vancouver's top 4 compared to Detroit's top 2 pairs, and this trade doesn't close that gap.

[wienerdog]

Yzerman is a mole. He's secretly paid by Illitch and he only became GM of TB to feed good 3-way trades to the Wings.

[ESQ]

I said earlier in the year that I thought Downie would be a good fit on the Canucks, but I don't think its going to be good for the Avs. Even though he was much calmer/more sane in Tampa, apparently that had a lot to do with his relationship with Stamkos. On a young Avs team that has appeared to lack a leader since Foote retired, this could go very bad.

[Madcombinepilot]

I said earlier in the year that I thought Downie would be a good fit on the Canucks, but I don't think its going to be good for the Avs. Even though he was much calmer/more sane in Tampa, apparently that had a lot to do with his relationship with Stamkos. On a young Avs team that has appeared to lack a leader since Foote retired, this could go very bad.

I hope so.

Isnt Downie a rental as well? if it goes bad in Colorado, we can swoop in and sign him for a song

[spooner]

Isnt Downie a rental as well?

He's a RFA this summer. I'd imagine the Avs will be holding on to him for at least next season.

[dbr]

Phoenix picks up Antoine Vermette according to Bob McKenzie. Apparently for "a pair of draft picks."

Good player, but that $3.75m cap hit..

[coco_canuck]

Good player, but that $3.75m cap hit..

I really like Vermette, a very solid 2-way player who can excel in the middle or the wing.

His cap-hit will make tight cap teams cringe a bit, but for a team like Phx with loads of cap-space, paying Vermette about 750K -$1M more than he should be getting paid is peanuts.

A very good addition for the Yotes, getting the type of player that perfectly fits the style of game Tippett has his guys playing.

[dbr]

Yeah exactly - good deal for a team with cap space. Turns out to be for Ottawa's 2nd, a 5th and Curtis McIEhinney..

As an aside, I'm glad to see Vermette go to a team like Phoenix rather than a team like the Sharks who got a significantly worse player in Dominic Moore for a marginally cheaper price.

[Jovocop]

Yeah exactly - good deal for a team with cap space. Turns out to be for Ottawa's 2nd, a 5th and Curtis McIEhinney..

As an aside, I'm glad to see Vermette go to a team like Phoenix rather than a team like the Sharks who got a significantly worse player in Dominic Moore for a marginally cheaper price.

With Phoenix making a trade today to improve their offense, Aucoin and Morris are pretty much off the Canucks' list unless it is a hockey trade.

[coco_canuck]

As an aside, I'm glad to see Vermette go to a team like Phoenix rather than a team like the Sharks who got a significantly worse player in Dominic Moore for a marginally cheaper price.

Yup.

The Sharks have made some questionable calls on the supporting players they've brought in recently. Neither White nor Vandermeer has earned a regular role on the defence, and Handzus has made their 3rd line slower.

Last season players like Ian White, Mayers and Eager didn't work out,

The above average 9-10 forwards and 5th defenseman or reliable d-depth, are crucial roles for a cup contender. The Sharks solidified their top 4 by adding Burns, but their 3rd pairing continues to be a mess, and their bottom 6 forward group is average.

Then there was also Wilson's theory that he didn't need a number #1 goalie to win a cup when rationalizing the decision to let Nabokov go, but he did add Niemi afterwards.

The criticism aside, Wilson has obviously done a nice job in San Jose, but he hasn't been able to put his team over the top and the window is slowly starting to close.

[Jovocop]

Selanne does indeed give this club a more competitive edge than Mason Raymond.

Selanne and Ruutu are pretty much off the list.

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie

Assuming no hiccups, Ruutu expected to get a 4-year extension with a slight bump on the $3.8M he's currently earning.

http://ducks.ocregister.com/2012/02/22/ducks-playoff-push-making-up-selannes-mind/107261/

An eight-game road trip for the Ducks that it nearing its end is accomplishing two concurrent things essential to the immediate future of the team.

The Ducks have now made an entrance into the Western Conference playoff picture and that is helping convince franchise icon Teemu Selanne that he’d rather make a run at the postseason with them and not seek the chance of winning another Stanley Cup elsewhere.

Several contending teams and their fan bases relish the idea of adding a future Hall of Famer with 657 goals on his resume but Selanne told the Register on Wednesday that he is not thinking about waiving his no-trade clause to seek a deal.

“We haven’t even talked about that,” Selanne said. “There’s good things going here right now. We all really believe we can make it to the playoffs. It hasn’t been on my mind at all.”

The Ducks are six points behind the eighth-place Kings in the Western Conference, having made up significant ground with a 15-3-4 run after being 20 points out on Jan. 6. They’ve won four times on the first seven legs of a trip that ends Thursday in Carolina and have gained 10 out of a possible 14 points.

Had the club went south and fallen out of playoff contention, Selanne may have entertained thoughts of trying to hook on with another team to make a run at a Cup.

When asked directly if he plans to be with the Ducks for the remainder of the season, Selanne coyly said, “Right now, yeah.”

Asked whether that can change before Monday’s NHL trade deadline, the winger said, “You know what, I really believe that we’re going to make it. Like I said earlier, it would be selfish to even think about other options right now.”

Selanne did acknowledge that the Ducks’ road trip would be a factor in his decision making. He said that he hasn’t spoken to General Manager Bob Murray about the topic. Murray has said that he would not trade the immensely popular winger.

A scenario of a possible deal would only take place if Selanne had requested to be moved.

“We all knew that this trip is going to be do or die and so far we have played so well here that I don’t even have to think about any other options. So that’s a good thing and I’m very happy about that.

“I know it’s my call. This road trip has helped me a lot.”

[Tciso]

Isnt Downie a rental as well?

He's a RFA this summer. I'd imagine the Avs will be holding on to him for at least next season.

And, I am guessing it's at about $3.8/per for 4 years. Too expensive next year for our 3rd/4th line

[Tciso]

I am all for keeping Schneider for this season, unless the perfect part falls into place (not likely), which begs the question what do we get for him later? He's an RFA, so if we decide to let him walk for someone else's offerm we are only gonna get a 1st rounder, and a 3rd, imo. I can't see him signing anywhere fort more than $4.7, and that was last season's #.

As good as he is gonna be, I thing GMMG will have to be on his toes this summer to get full value for Schneids.

"The criteria for RFA draft pick compensation in 2011-12 is as follows:

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
"

[dbr]

Why does Downie get a 100% raise after two years of producing less than he did before his current contract?

As for Schneider I'm fairly sure he is eligible for arbitration - in fact taking him to arbitration would not be the worst thing in the world as there are comparable goaltenders with pretty cheap contracts compared to what I'd be prepared to pay him.

[tantalum]

Vermette is to Jacket fans what Raymond is to canuck fans right now...except Vermette has a longer, higher priced contract. Vermette is what he is...a two-way center good on the draws that will get 35-45 points. He will fit in nicely on the Coyotes who desperately needed some depth at center ice.

Really I think the Avs and Coyotes made decent deals that addressed weaknesses and will help them now and in the future (Coyotes have a lot of contracts coming off the books at the end of the year). The Jackets dump salary and begin the purge so things work out for them as well given they have BRassard and Johansen at a minimum to move forward with.

Flames fans can't be happy about these moves IMO.


Schneider...he will be moved at the draft IMO and I think he'll be moved to the bolts. I'll even go out on a limb and say I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a deadline deal between the two teams as a precursor trade (like the Higgins then Booth deals). From the way Pang talks about the young goaltenders that are available or will be available Schneider is by far the top prize and that gives Gillis some leverage.

For the canucks with Ruutu off the market you really are looking at either the more minor UFAs or a straight hockey deal. Would the bolts move Purcell??