Trade Deadline Discussion

[black ace]

I think there is absolutely no way Gillis trades Schneider this year.

Even if Anaheim calls and offers Perry straight up (obviously cant and wont happen) another forward wont help us if Luoie struggles at some point in the playoffs.

Schneider is an insurance policy for Luongo and like it or not we need one.

[ESQ]

I like Franson too but if you are expecting him to be a beast in his own zone and be a physical crease clearing D-man, I don't think he's your man. He's a bit more skilled and physical Marek Malik. However he is rh and he can shoot the puck.

All things equal i like Schenn better myself.

I do agree that Schenn > Franson, in all respects except pure offense/PP. But that's why the cost for Franson is much more manageable than the cost of Schenn, plus he has a much less scary contract.

Franson wasn't the most impressive defenseman on the ice on Saturday to be sure, but I didn't think Schenn was much better. I see Johnson or Franson as an Ehrhoff replacement. Playing in the Canucks system, they're not getting the tough matchups and is probably always on the ice with a strong forward line.

Ehrhoff, by the way, was a team-worst -12 on the Sharks his last year. Coming to Vancouver didn't make him a brilliant shutdown "beast", but he was able to play to his strengths on the ice and was extremely consistent year-in, year-out. Salo is really taking Hoff's spot this year, and Salo is a better player than anyone we're talking about this year, but a cheap guy with good upside is what we need.

[Fred]

Salo is really taking Hoff's spot this year, and Salo is a better player than anyone we're talking about this year

Question has to be asked is Salo back next season

[ESQ]

The 1st part of BC's good post...

I'd be shocked if he didn't turn out to be a true #1, not a flash in the pan.

..the last part of BC's good post.

Me too. In fact, at this point, I'm actually expecting Schneider to become an elite NHL starter.

And that's without the homer glasses on.

He has proven himself as much as any young backup can - I would bet most NHL GMs have way more confidence in the notion of Schneider as a #1 than Bernier, who still needs to be put to the test... Gillis has a got a serious pocket Ace here.

I've come to the realization that trading Schneider will not net us very much. At the end of the day, every GM is going to say, he's a good backup for sure, but anything beyond that we don't know. Yes, this year he's getting some of the tough starts, but he is far less proven than Jaroslav Halak was when he got traded. Hell, he's less proven than Varlamov was when he got traded.

Varlamov went for a 1st round pick from a shitty team and a conditional 2nd, which most agreed was highway robbery by Washington. Halak went for a top6 prospect and an AHL player the year after he carried his team to the third round of the playoffs.

I think Schneider's value is somewhere between the two, but lets be honest, he's not Luongo. And for that reason, I think Schneider is always going to be more valuable to us a backup then as tradebait, unless they trade his signing rights at the end of next year when he's never going to play for the Canucks again.

[black ace]

Toronto imo has 2 types of defenceman. Guys like Komisarek and Liles (add in guys they have had like Beachamin) who are decent #4-5 guys and then they have a bunch of guys with potential to be good #2 guys (kind of like we have with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Salo etc) in Schenn, Gardiner, Franson, Gunnarson and even Aulie etc. but the 2nd group of guys just hasnt developed into solid players yet which leaves guys getting way too much ice time for where they should be playing.

I would love to have any of Schenn, Gardiner, Franson on the Canucks but not at 20 minutes a night. They need to be 10-12 minute guys learning and in TO they have kind of been thrown to the wolves by Wilson's "system".

[Potatoe1]

but he is far less proven than Jaroslav Halak was when he got traded. Hell, he's less proven than Varlamov was when he got traded.

I don't think being "proven will have much to do with schneiders trade value, in fact the fact he isn't starting might end up being a bonus as it reduces his bargaining power and thus his cap hit.

Schneider may be less proven then Halak but he's a much better athlete who projects a lot higher then Halak.

The Habs moved Halak because they had a better athlete in Carey Price, who while being less proven was a far more valuable asset.

The Bottom line on Schneider is that he's a former first rounder who's 6'2 and has great quickness and over all technique. He's pretty much the prototype for an NHL starter and he's been fantastic in the only role he been allowed to play.

If the canucks dont get a great return for Schneider it says a lot more about the market for goalies then it does about weather Schneider is proven or not.

[Meds]

but he is far less proven than Jaroslav Halak was when he got traded. Hell, he's less proven than Varlamov was when he got traded.

The Bottom line on Schneider is that he's a former first rounder who's 6'2 and has great quickness and over all technique. He's pretty much the prototype for an NHL starter and he's been fantastic in the only role he been allowed to play.

So you're saying that Schneider is pretty much the unproven test project for NHL goalies? He's the great question-mark that needs to be refined? He costs a lot right now so we can figure out how to get a better but cheaper version of him down the road? His longevity is in question and he will be retired shortly to make way for a better model?

[Benjo]

Downie is headed to the Aves in exchange for Quincey.

Edit - TBL then trade Quincey to Detroit for their 1st rounder in 2012.

[Madcombinepilot]

To Bad.. I like Downie as a 3rd/4th line guy.

Now, I'll have to hate him.

[CorranHorn]

Rick Nash

[tantalum]

I don't really understand the Bolts flipping Quincy for what will essentially be a second round pick. Seems like Quincey is the type of guy the Bolts need (a warm body on defense!). Clearing up a contract space for a later move?

[CorranHorn]

I don't really understand the Bolts flipping Quincy for what will essentially be a second round pick. Seems like Quincey is the type of guy the Bolts need (a warm body on defense!). Clearing up a contract space for a later move?

Did you not read my post!

[black ace]

I don't really understand the Bolts flipping Quincy for what will essentially be a second round pick. Seems like Quincey is the type of guy the Bolts need (a warm body on defense!). Clearing up a contract space for a later move?

I think it has more to do with the Bolts trading Downie for a 1st (very late) and a prospect. They probably never really wanted Quincey. Quincey played for Detroit before so I am sure they were interested in getting him back but just didnt have what the Avs wanted.

[Fred]

Brad Stuart already told Holland he's leaving this summer to head to....I believe Calgary....Quincey will replace Stuart IMO

MG has to gamble on Bitz recovering or he starts looking for a clone...not easy to come by

[dbr]

I don't really understand the Bolts flipping Quincy for what will essentially be a second round pick. Seems like Quincey is the type of guy the Bolts need (a warm body on defense!). Clearing up a contract space for a later move?

Did you not read my post!

Unless they get Lecavalier to waive for Columbus, the last thing the Bolts need is another $7m+ forward.

I have no idea why they turned around and flipped Quincey for a pick, he is exactly what that team needs. With Connolly and Ashton in the fold I can see why they'd trade a forward but with nobody of note after Hedman I have no clue why they'd trade a 26 year old defenseman who can skate, move the puck and log 20+ minutes every night.