Trade Deadline Discussion

[Strangelove]

I would hate to see Schneider backstopping the Leafs for the next decade.

Seriously, I never even thought about that, all I could see was Schenn.

Okay, scratch that proposal.

[Strangelove]

I agree with this. I don't see a potential beast in Schenn, considering he's been a healthy scratch on a pretty terrible Leafs team, plus its not a great contract at $3.6 million per at his current level.

I wouldn't read too much into a 22-year-old being a healthy scratch.

And if Schenn reaches his potential that's a great contract.

Yeah I know: *if*

But *if* he wasn't having a tough season, no way is he available.

3-way trade - Schneider+ to CBJ for Carter, then Carter for Johnson?

As for Hedman - yeah I'd love him, but he's going nowhere.

Agreed about Hedman, the likelthood of them trading him is about the same as a big-name 3-way trade goin down.

[Strangelove]

Schenn (last season) was among the worst Leafs defensemen at -7 last year playing 22 min a night

Oh C'MON! Schenn was basically playing the role of top pairing shutdown dee at age 21!

And btw Komisarek was minus 8.

Hmm looking at the stats right now, Lebda in 41 games was minus 14.

And yes Schenn leads the Leaves this season in that category.

Schenn is a 5/6 Dman on Toronto, what does that make him here? Johnson is #1/2 in LA, and that probably makes him a solid 3-4 on our team.

He'd be our #5 to start and hopefully move into Sami's spot in the top 4 next season.

Did I mention he's young?

The defenseman I'd want out of Toronto is Cody Franson. He's young, gigantic, decent-offensively, and could be the clear-the-net defenseman we've been missing.

Don't know how Franson has been playing this year but I couldn't help but notice how horrible he looked on Saturday.

True, can't judge him on one game, so I'll just say Schenn's potential is much higher than Franson's and leave it at that.

[RoyalDude]

I'm a man who likes to use common sense when evaluating players, so when I see you all drooling and getting massive hard on's for Luke Schenn who is apparently a guaranteed stud of a defenseman AND apparently is on the trading block, if he is as good as you all say he is, why is he on the trading block? Don't you question why? I mean, we all know how hard it is to land 'stud' D-men? Are you guys smarter than Burke and Nonis? Are Burke and Nonis completely blind to the potential that you all say that Schenn has? Why are you guys not Managing the Toronto Maple Leaf organization instead of Burke?

[Strangelove]

BTW it's likely Schneids only plays a few more games this season.

And ZERO in the playoffs.

So a decent backup is all we need if we trade him.

If Lou goes down with a big injury we're screwed anyway I figure....

I'm not saying I don't support the right trade involving Schneids if the return is right, doc, but I think you're off the mark here.

Look at the starts CS got this year. The Boston game alone tells you everything you need to know.

If Lou falters in the post-season, Cory will see his chances. I seem to remember an HW rumour mentioning that that was pretty much the outlook that MG and AV were going into the season with.

If you are right, you gotta ask: why is the kid still here?

Your response revolves around "IF Lou falters in the post-season".

Obviously I refuse to consider the possibility.

So why is Schneids still here?

Probably because Gillis figures he's a great backup and his trading value as a potential #1 hasn't reached its peak yet.

Will that time come on deadline day or at the draft?

We's about ta find out!

[Uncle dans leg]

I'm a man who likes to use common sense when evaluating players, so when I see you all drooling and getting massive hard on's for Luke Schenn who is apparently a guaranteed stud of a defenseman AND apparently is on the trading block, if he is as good as you all say he is, why is he on the trading block? Don't you question why? I mean, we all know how hard it is to land 'stud' D-men? Are you guys smarter than Burke and Nonis? Are Burke and Nonis completely blind to the potential that you all say that Schenn has? Why are you guys not Managing the Toronto Maple Leaf organization instead of Burke?

Don't know how smart Burke and Nonis are honestly....Patrick White called to say he's a big R.J. fan

[Strangelove]

I'm a man who likes to use common sense when evaluating players

Hmmm I have two problems with that statement.

when I see you all drooling and getting massive hard on's for Luke Schenn

Aw shucks Dude.

if he is as good as you all say he is, why is he on the trading block?

He's having a tough season.

Don't you question why? I mean, we all know how hard it is to land 'stud' D-men? Are you guys smarter than Burke and Nonis?

Honestly??

YES.

Are Burke and Nonis completely blind to the potential that you all say that Schenn has?

No I would say that they, rightly or wrongly, feel they have enough quality dee to be able to part with Schenn and that they need to pursue a much more immediate need: Making the playoffs. They prolly figure that ain't happening if they don't address the goaltending.

They get a goalie with great potential, we get a dee with great potential = WIN-WIN

Why are you guys not Managing the Toronto Maple Leaf organization instead of Burke?

Mostly because we hate the Leaves.

But also because they only tend to hire fat whiny full-of-themself grit-loving hard-drinking politicians.

[tantalum]

The same could be said of Johnson. I didn't realize he was a team-worst -21 last season, but he was leading the team in ice-time and almost all of his offense was on the PP. Schenn on the other hand was among the worst Leafs defensemen at -7 last year playing 22 min a night, but this year he's down to 16 minutes and is seeing substantially improved numbers. Johnson is putting up similar numbers to last year, but slightly less points and slightly better plus minus, but he's still leading the team in icetime while playing with Doughty, who is struggling this year.
Schenn is a 5/6 Dman on Toronto, what does that make him here? Johnson is #1/2 in LA, and that probably makes him a solid 3-4 on our team.

The defenseman I'd want out of Toronto is Cody Franson. He's young, gigantic, decent-offensively, and could be the clear-the-net defenseman we've been missing.

Johnson is 3 years older than Schenn and instead of being rushed to the NHL had a couple of more years in college, which I think makes a significant difference between the two development wise. Being in the NHL isn't the necessarily the best way to develop a kid.

Johnson is a talent but there is reason he is a team worst +/- for the third year in a row. He is an adventure at times. If you look at his icetime you'll also see he is decidely the #4 guy on LA ahead of rookie Voynov, and the unexciting Greene and Matrinez. He is #4 ES time and the #5 guy for PK time. He gets a huge amount of PP time. I do think the canucks have to give up way more for Johnson than for Schenn at this point because of his offense.

[Blob Mckenzie]

The defenseman I'd want out of Toronto is Cody Franson. He's young, gigantic, decent-offensively, and could be the clear-the-net defenseman we've been missing.

I like Franson too but if you are expecting him to be a beast in his own zone and be a physical crease clearing D-man, I don't think he's your man. He's a bit more skilled and physical Marek Malik. However he is rh and he can shoot the puck.

All things equal i like Schenn better myself.

[tantalum]

'Canes are still waiting to hear back from Ruutu's agent on re-signing him. If they can't re-sign him they are expected to move him along with one of Spacek or Allen. Read that somewhere today. The Ruutu thing was a Rutherford quote where he said he has a process and right now they are waiting to here back. PResumably the the process will be trading him if they don't come to a deal. I also imagine that because they want to sign him he won't be moved until deadline day.

on Franson/Johnson/Schenn....everytime I see Franson I come away disappointed. He just can't seem to put everything together.

[Boston Canucker]

On the likelihood of TB trading Hedman, I grant he is probably one of Yzerman's untouchables. However, Schneider is no small chip in the game for Gillis. He has proven himself as much as any young backup can - I would bet most NHL GMs have way more confidence in the notion of Schneider as a #1 than Bernier, who still needs to be put to the test. And Yzerman badly needs goaltending, and not another aging roll of the dice type, around which to build his team. Stevie Y may love Hedman, but when you don't have goaltending, nothing else really matters. Gillis has a got a serious pocket Ace here.

I think about this also with the Nash deal (and to be clear, I don't want the Canucks to go after him, too many pitfalls), but the idea that Howson could demand a ransom from a team like the Canucks is laughable. The Canucks have exactly what the Jackets need, a young, stable, fairly proven goaltending who will not cost them much in cap room in the near future...and the Jackets have what the Canucks might like in an ideal world but don't really need, a very good, power forward, but not a guy who has proven to a superstar yet but who comes with a nasty cap hit. I'm not saying Schneider is better than Nash but when we consider how important goaltending is, it does balance out the conversation some...after all, life was looking pretty good in CBJ when Mason had his great year, (until the dopey, arrogant twit decided he didn't have anything more to learn about the position) and since then...poof goes that team. Schneider by contrast is clearly a mature guy and goalie. I'd be shocked if he didn't turn out to be a true #1, not a flash in the pan.

Anyway, it's all just more idle chatter, especially as it regards a Canuck team that I think will be pretty close to idle on the trade market over the next week.

[Fred]

The defenseman I'd want out of Toronto is Cody Franson. He's young, gigantic, decent-offensively, and could be the clear-the-net defenseman we've been missing.

I like Franson too but if you are expecting him to be a beast in his own zone and be a physical crease clearing D-man, I don't think he's your man. He's a bit more skilled and physical Marek Malik. However he is rh and he can shoot the puck.

All things equal i like Schenn better myself.

Franson is more like a Cullimore barely a mean bone in his body but he can play the game and i think BB would allow Schenn to move before a guy that can move the puck.

[Meds]

No I would say that they, rightly or wrongly, feel they have enough quality dee to be able to part with Schenn and that they need to pursue a much more immediate need: Making the playoffs. They prolly figure that ain't happening if they don't address the goaltending.

They get a goalie with great potential, we get a dee with great potential = WIN-WIN

Outta curiosity Doc, who are these "quality dee" that they think they have?

[wienerdog]

The 1st part of BC's good post...

I'd be shocked if he didn't turn out to be a true #1, not a flash in the pan.

..the last part of BC's good post.

Me too. In fact, at this point, I'm actually expecting Schneider to become an elite NHL starter.

And that's without the homer glasses on.

The kid has it all - the talent, the technique, the reflexes, the size, the right attitude, the proper mental fortitude, a great team spirit. He's also performed in some pretty big game scenarios. He's got all the tools to really excel in his position.

I think we will really regret having to let this kid go. In 3-5 years, I predict he will be red-hot (<-see wot) and will definitely be a top 10 starter in the League - but I really think he'll be in the top 5.

[Hockey Widow]

Unless MG is offered that proverbial home run he should not trade Cory until the summer, if at all. Now the one problem in getting that home run is that he is UFA July 2014 so any team trading for him only really has him for one more year as a lock. Trading him to Columbus may seem great but will he stay, same with Tampa.

My dream scenario is we win the cup this year and then one of Luongo or Cory gets dealt in the summer. Second, we re-sign Cory for 2 years at the 2-2.5 per range which then leads into Luongo's first opportunity contractually to ask for a trade. I just don't see Cory being dealt for less than a home run this season. First we don't need picks or prospects to help us with a cup run and second trading Cory in and of itself will not free up a lot of cap room to be able to bring much back. Too bad Suter didn't play for Columbus!

Speaking of which I do not think Nashville will be trading either Suter or Weber this year. They will risk losing Suter July 1st and make a run for it this year. If they have a decent run and if they add some offensive pieces they may persuade him to stay around.

As to the Schenn debate well I'd like him or Hedman as an option but unless there is more to a deal than that I still think keeping Cory is the wise hockey move. I think Schenn goes to Columbus in a package for either Nash or Carter.

I think in the summer we get a 1st plus a prospect for Cory. If Suter is still available I think we are one of many teams making an offer knowing if we lose out we can go for Weber next summer. I don't know if we would get either of them but FA is going to be the only way I see it happening.