Trade Deadline Discussion

[Southern_Canuck]

But just for shits and giggles and discussion....what about Umberger?

My favourite memory of Umberger...



S_C

[wienerdog]

Am I the only one who thinks the Gill acquisition by NAS is a bit weird?

I know their PK apparently needs help, but you'd think they'd want to shore up their front end before blowing assets on a d-line that's got some pretty robust players on it.

Meh, I don't pay close attention to the Preds, so what do I know...

[tantalum]

Preds have 3 regular D-men that are 23 years old and under and playing their first full seasons (Josi, Blum, Ellis). A 4th D-man is 27 (Klein) is may be the weakest of the bunch. Gill provides them with some needed veteran depth and may perhaps frees up one of those younger guys for that help up front. Without another vet there is a good chance they have to play Suter and Weber 30 minutes or more a night in the playoffs. This makes them a bit less susceptible to getting screwed by injury and/or fatigue.

[BladesofSteel]

^^^Gill also releives some of the pressure on the big two from playing heavy PK mins. Gill is a terrific penalty killer and shot blocker.

Good move by Poile, and I highly doubt he's done yet. I look for him to make a big move in the coming weeks to show everyone this club is serious about being an upper echelon team.

[tantalum]

Apparently Murph asked Gillis about Nash today.

Murph: "When is the press conference to announce Rick Nash as the newest member of the Vancouver Canucks?"
Gillis: "2018".


Of course those who like to read into things will note Gillis knows exactly when the Nash contract ends off the top of his head.

[Orcasfan]

Did anyone catch Ray Ferraro on the team radio this morning? I thought what he had to say about the Canucks' needs at the deadline were very accurate. Basically, a tough, reliable 3rd line winger who can chip in 15 goals/season; as well as a depth, solid D man. His analysis of our 3rd line was spot on, and his views of Raymond (not ready to write him off yet - due to his slow recovery) and Manny too were very fair. But his bottom line was essentially that neither can be a good fit for our 3rd (with CoHo/Lappy and Hansen). Unfortunately, I wasn't able to listen to his whole segment, so I don't know if he had anything to say about our needs on D.

What I like about this viewpoint is that it really fits into what most of us have been saying for a while (so, obviously correct, ay ), and, also that he's talking Reality! Not some pie-in-the-sky idea, with no relevance to real factors like salary caps! And, again, this is probably the kind of deadline action that MG is most comfortable with.

Of course, the question is still who can fill those particular needs! Moen has been mentioned a lot as the potential 3rd liner. But, apart from such "rental" players, I'm wondering who could be acquired via a hockey trade? We have assets like Raymond as well as prospects and picks...

[BladesofSteel]

^^^Ray also mentioned Moen as someone who might fit in well with this team, as well as Paul Gaustad.

Yes, as per usual when the Bonch/Chapman/Toul are on Ray is spot on with his assessments. I listen to the TEAM b/w 7:17-7:41 (my clock) every morning just to tune into Ray. Otherwise, its back to the Ipod for the rest of my commute.

Ferarro is the shit.

[Uncle dans leg]

Ferarro is the shit.

Anyone happen to hear when Ferarro was laughing at Phaneufs squeekie little voice when he thought his mike was off? I heard it on the fan960 in calgary. Hilarious

[Hockey Widow]

So it seems that Ballard will be out until after the trade deadline which will allow the Canucks to put him on LTIR this season. If they do this then his 4.2, pro rated, is now available as cap room at the deadline. Of course they would need comparable cap room available to re-activate him, unless he is out until he playoffs start.

This also explains why they want to get Tanev in the line up for games before the deadline. They need to assess him further so they can see exactly where they stand before deadline day passes by. An interesting development to say the least. It also would preclude Ballard from being traded I think since his injury is neck or concussion and finding a trade partner would be much more difficult that it would have been had he been healthy. I mean a team could take a chance on him, or maybe not. Can't remember if a player on LTIR can be traded or not. He is not currently on LTIR but if the Canucks need to add blue line depth ( yes) and if they succeed in doing so chances are they will need the cap space.

Now I suppose AV can be just stinging everyone along and the are sitting him because they re trading him. Just a thought for those that like conspiracies

No matter what the real issues is, and I believe he is more seriously injured than first reported, it becomes painfully clear that MG needs to try as best he can to land another D. It may be more costly than we would like but the option.....

[RoyalDude]

My prediction is that Gillis is gonna do his patented usual and unload some more 2nd round and 3rd round draft picks for boring ol' rentals who will have no serious impact on the team.

[Aaronp18]

My prediction is that Gillis is gonna do his patented usual and unload some more 2nd round and 3rd round draft picks for boring ol' rentals who will have no serious impact on the team.

You mean like the guys he picked up last year that helped get us to within one win of a Stanley Cup?

Oh and then resigned to very reasonable contracts for this season and have played an integral role in the continued success of the team.

On second thought I think you misspelled Gillis, you must have meant Nonis.

[RoyalDude]

My prediction is that Gillis is gonna do his patented usual and unload some more 2nd round and 3rd round draft picks for boring ol' rentals who will have no serious impact on the team.

You mean like the guys he picked up last year that helped get us to within one win of a Stanley Cup?

Oh and then resigned to very reasonable contracts for this season and have played an integral role in the continued success of the team.

On second thought I think you misspelled Gillis, you must have meant Nonis.

Well, Lappy and Higgins, I assume you are talking about have been pretty serviceable but seriously dude, this team is built around a core group of franchise type players who go by the name of the Sedins, Kesler, Luongo, Edler, Salo, Bieksa, Hamhius, Burrows, Schneider. I guess what I was trying to convey is that there seems to be a load of chatter and desire to land big named players come deadline but I just don't see it. What I see is Gillis doing is his usual at the deadline, trading mid-range picks for role players. And sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't. At the end of the day, they ain't the impact player(s) that some of you are hoping for, ie Nash, Perry, Carter, Suter, Weber, Parise etc.

[Aaronp18]

Well, Lappy and Higgins, I assume you are talking about have been pretty serviceable but seriously dude, this team is built around a core group of franchise type players who go by the name of the Sedins, Kesler, Luongo, Edler, Salo, Bieksa, Hamhius, Burrows, Schneider. I guess what I was trying to convey is that there seems to be a load of chatter and desire to land big named players come deadline but I just don't see it. What I see is Gillis doing is his usual at the deadline, trading mid-range picks for role players. And sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't. At the end of the day, they ain't the impact player(s) that some of you are hoping for, ie Nash, Perry, Carter, Suter, Weber, Parise etc.

Of course this team goes where the core takes it, but stating guys like Lappy and Higgins had no real impact on the teams success last year isn't entirely fair. Without them we don't have that success.

I agree with you about the moves Gillis is likely to make, he's not going to drastically change the structure of the team at the deadline. Those are off-season moves, but they still elicit the strongest opinions and reactions from fans and media alike. Which is why those rumours become such a hot topic.

But additional role players that can potentially push this team over the top is what Gillis should be looking for. He found a couple last year and likely has his sites on a few this year. These are the types of guys you get for 2nd and 3rd rounders, and we shouldn't be giving up much more.

The Canucks are flirting with the best season the have ever had again, and they aren't even running on all cylinders yet. If I'm any other team in the West I'm scared of what the Canucks may just accomplish once they start taking games seriously again.

They know what it takes to win now, and it looks to me as they have learned from the past. Everything is being geared up in order to get that 16th W in the post-season.

A couple players like Lappy or Higgins is all we should expect and what we can hope for. Likely one on the back-end and one up front.

I`m confident Gillis can get what he feels is required and without over paying for `rentals`. He proved that last year as neither had no impact and neither were rentals.

[tantalum]

Kubina to Philly for a 2nd and 5th.

[Potatoe1]

Rumor is that CLB asked for "JVR,Bobrovski, Schenn or Couturier" (Dreger)

If JVR and Bob = Raymond and Schneider, and Schen or Couturier = Hodgson, then it isnt a surprise that Gillis is cracking jokes about a potential Nash trade.

Not only would the Canucks and Flyers not give up that type of package but no one else will either.

The Jackets are serious about putting guys on the block but it doesn't seem like they are serious about actually making deals.