Trade Deadline Discussion

[tantalum]

various people seem to be suggesting that Tanev will be up for good this time. I somehow doubt it but you never know.

In other news, the Sharks traded a second round pick to the bolts for Moore and a 7th round pick.

No word on whether they picked up Moore to be a heart donor for big Joe.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I bet Ladd and Kes would be the best of pals if that were to ever happen. NHL players do a lot of posturing in front of cameras and microphones but they can also go out for beers after punching each other in the face.

Not sure about that. A friend of mine is neighbours with Ladd's parents and very tight with the family as Ladd's mom and buddy's wife teach at the same school. Andrew Ladd hates Kesler and says he talks absolute crap on the ice. Says he's a real good player but he doesn't seem to respect his opponents at all and is a real condescending prick on the ice. He apparently was furious when they fought after he nailed Kesler with a punch Kesler grabbed his leg and tried to piledrive his bare head into the ice. I responded with "I guess Ladd's shot to Kesler's beak was clean too eh" ?

You're probably right Hank, they would eventually learn to get along but i just thought I would pass that little tidbit along as there are a lot of people who think the sun shines out of Kesler's ass. Ladd also told my friend that there are quite a few guys throughout the NHL who are a little put off with Kesler's mouth and general arrogance. Ladd heard that Luongo was furious with RK after his comments in the Olympics.

Choose to believe it or not I don't care. This guy I'm getting this info from is tight with the Ladds and is as honest as anyone I know.I have never been one to engage in rumors but I did think this was kind of interesting.

[ESQ]

Besides, I don't know how many times I have read or heard about him not wanting to leave Phoenix

Its true he doesn't want to leave Phoenix, but he has said if the franchise is leaving Phoenix then he's prepared to move on from the franchise. With the Seattle announcement coming out today the future of the Coyotes may be cleared up somewhat (or muddied, who knows?)

As for Kesler, there's no question he's one of the biggest assholes in the league. I'd bet many of his teammates don't like him either on a personal, off-ice level. That being said, Ladd is also an asshole, and Kesler has shown an ability to bond with fellow assholes, like Pat Kane at the Olympics. Its probably thanks to Kesler that the Sedins have such level-heads, I can't imagine a more oil-and-water personality combo than Kesler and the Sedins.

One of the classic stories of the WCE was Bertuzzi sitting in the back of the plane making fun of Morrison for going bald. It was laughed off in the press, but to me it signified a guy that is such a dick that he'd be cruel to his own linemate. I don't think Kesler is at that level, but his Olympic comments are a prime example of how he gets non-teammates to hate him, even if they're his teammates 2 weeks later.

[Arachnid]

various people seem to be suggesting that Tanev will be up for good this time. I somehow doubt it but you never know.

In other news, the Sharks traded a second round pick to the bolts for Moore and a 7th round pick.

No word on whether they picked up Moore to be a heart donor for big Joe.

Jeez man, I'm tired of Moore cancer with the Canucks...he's played for 9 teams in 9 years...something must not be right with that family....

[tantalum]

Portzine now saying 6 teams on the Nash list. Team 6 is the canucks. McKenzie saying Columbus wants Schneider, Hodgson plus other.


Bruins made contract extension offers to Kelly, Thornton, Campbell and Paille. As it stands they have about $9 mil in tagging room (i.e. 9 mil left under the cap in committed contracts next season). If any of those players accept the extensions they likely don't have the tagging room and would need to move salary to acquire Nash. They'd have to lose a pretty significant asset in the deal as well (likely Rask and I have a sneaking suspicion Thomas will be moved in the summer).

Honestly when I look at most of these teams on the list, taking on Nash will really screw things up cap wise for these teams next season. Rangers can likely do it but would be unable to address other holes in the lineup (and Del Zotto is going to get a huge raise). Rangers also don't have the goaltending asset to truly interest the Jackets.

Toronto has no goaltending to offer the Jackets and are likely trying to find some goaltending themselves. Don't see how there is a fit unless the Jackets really covet SChenn.

Kings have the goaltender to offer and can likely fit Nash in next season but after that Quick will be due a huge raise and the Nash contract hinders things. Still I get the sense the Kings might go for it. They would have to move a bunch of salary in the deal though.

Sharks barely have the tagging room and over 10 RFA/UFAs at the end of the year. A Nash acquisition would necessitate the Sharks moving out a core guy or two. Perhaps Havlat would be included in the deal to alleviate that concern. However I don't believe the Sharks have a goaltender to interest the Jackets.


So the way I see it IF those are the 6 teams Nash will go to right now only 2 have the primary asset the Jackets need to get in such a deal....the goaltenders. Those teams are of course the canucks and kings. Both of those teams need to move a large chunk of cap hit to make the deal this season (Kings 4.5 mil, canucks 6.5 mil).

Truthfully this is a hard deal for the Jackets to make right now and get the return they need to get. The Jackets may be better off waiting until the summer when teams get some breathing room.

[Hank]

Not sure about that. A friend of mine is neighbours with Ladd's parents and very tight with the family as Ladd's mom and buddy's wife teach at the same school. Andrew Ladd hates Kesler and says he talks absolute crap on the ice. Says he's a real good player but he doesn't seem to respect his opponents at all and is a real condescending prick on the ice. He apparently was furious when they fought after he nailed Kesler with a punch Kesler grabbed his leg and tried to piledrive his bare head into the ice. I responded with "I guess Ladd's shot to Kesler's beak was clean too eh" ?

You're probably right Hank, they would eventually learn to get along but i just thought I would pass that little tidbit along as there are a lot of people who think the sun shines out of Kesler's ass. Ladd also told my friend that there are quite a few guys throughout the NHL who are a little put off with Kesler's mouth and general arrogance. Ladd heard that Luongo was furious with RK after his comments in the Olympics.

Choose to believe it or not I don't care. This guy I'm getting this info from is tight with the Ladds and is as honest as anyone I know.I have never been one to engage in rumors but I did think this was kind of interesting.

Blob, great little story. I totally believe you! We know Kesler has always had that cocky, arrogant, USA, asshole swagger about him and it probably grates on teammates, opponents, the media and even Canuck fans alike. Part of his, Burrows and Lapierre's on ice douchebaggery have no doubt contributed to the team's arrogant and most-hated labels.

But on the flip side, you must remember how the Blackhawks displayed the same qualities when they had their stacked lineup. Kane, Burish, Ladd, Bolland, Eager, Byfuglien, Q, etal. They were jawing everybody. Pretty douchey when they were riding high weren't they? If you recall, it was Ladd's blatantly cheap flying elbow on Kesler that started the whole back and forth. The puck was nowhere near the play and it was outright cheap and dangerous. A dirty move that was taken from the book of his buddy Eager, who laid out Rypien and another player with the same crap. Ladd might not have liked the take-down from Kesler, but he conveniently forgot about the double-leg Eager used to ground and pound Bieksa with.

Anyway, I have no doubt that if a trade were to happen, Kesler and the team would welcome Ladd with open arms and by-gones would be by-gones. I'd love to have Ladd on our team.

[Strangelove]

Consider this - the cap will continue to rise, and by the end of Nash's contract, players like Leino and Upshall will be getting $7.8M...! OK, an exaggeration, but if not now when the Canucks have a legitimate window to challenge for the Stanley Cup - when will the Canucks ever get a chance at a player like Nash?


S_C

I am hearing that the cap will not continue to go up and teams have to look at seeing a decrease. This is based upon the calculation they use to determine cap hit. The owners want a lower % of money to go to the players. I am not sure what it is now but they have used the NBA and NFL as examples where owners were able to better manage cap and $$ going toward the the players.

In the last cap they reduced all players salaries by a certain %, this time around I don't think that will happen and teams who are now over the cap will just have to make trades to get under.

Ummm not exactly. Pretty sure the cap WILL continue to go up. Deja-vu, Reef weren't you one of the group I had this debate a few years ago (btw Strangelove proven to be correct on that one = salary cap HAS in fact increased every season). No doubt the next season's salary cap will be higher than this season's $64.3mil when all is said & done. It is estimated this season's revenues will push the cap close to $69mil for the next season. TRUE it will quite likely fall back from there after the new CBA (less money going to players as you say) but it will still without doubt be higher than the present $64.3mil.

The players currently receive 57% of revenues. I can only see that dropping by a few percentage points.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/1 ... -to-happen

Temporary salary cap

In what has been a vastly under-the-radar story, a buzz item among NHL GMs these days is how they’re going to approach this summer with what will be a higher but temporary salary cap number.

Confused?

The collective bargaining agreement doesn’t expire until Sept. 15 at midnight ET.

But NHL teams have to conduct business under this current CBA until then. As per the current system, the salary cap is once again expected to rise as of June 30 from the current $64.3 million upper limit to as high as $68 million to $69 million, according to guesstimates from some team executives.

That new cap number will exist only from June 30 to whenever a new CBA comes into effect.

The obvious issue is that most teams believe the cap will go down in the new CBA as owners try to scale back the players’ percentage of revenues (the players will have a mighty say in that, however).

So, you could have a situation where the cap is around $69 million for the summer and then much lower come the fall with a new CBA (again, the players will have a say in that).

This will force teams to come up with their own internal cap number based solely on guesswork this summer, because the last thing a team wants is to have a $69 million payroll on Aug. 30 and then be told it needs to shed a chunk of it come the new CBA in the fall.

Either way, just another wrinkle for this summer’s free-agent market.

Found your post at the end of 3 full pages of folks picturing Nash in a Nuck uni. Haven't seen such drug-induced fantasies since I happened upon an opium den whilst traversing Bora Bora circa 1994. Ummm not gunna happen....

[Hockey Widow]

Well, if I were MG I would put Ballard on LTIR and make sure he stays there until the playoffs start. That gives us another 4.2 to play with, sort of. That could explain why Tanev is up, well of course the Ballard injury does explain that. But the point being this now frees us up to make a deadline day deal and bring in some cap, without having to worry about trading Ballard. I mean MG did a masterful job last year having D men on LTIR as needed so we could keep them all and with concussion like symptoms it isn't s stretch to see him out for a while.

So maybe Raymond alone can bring in defensive depth and we still get Ballard, maybe, for the playoffs. Of course Raymond plus Ballard plus Cory equals Nash cap wise.

[wienerdog]

...if I'm Columbus GM and Vancouver comes a-calling, I wouldn't settle for than less Schneider, Hodgson, Edler and a first rounder.

No thanks.

[okcanuck]

...if I'm Columbus GM and Vancouver comes a-calling, I wouldn't settle for than less Schneider, Hodgson, Edler and a first rounder.

No thanks.

I wouldn't trade Edler straight up for Nash

[tantalum]

Nash is a good player but I do think people over rate the guy. To me he isn't a $7.8 mil player and his actual salary escalates through his 6 year deal. If he has asked to be traded the Jackets do not hold a trump card in these negotiations so I think people thinking the Jackets are going to be getting multiple blue chip parts are out to lunch.

The Jackets will get one blue chip part (likely a goaltender if they have any sense), perhaps a good pick that might be another good part but after that it will be serviceable players. On the surface people like to laugh at a Schneider, Raymond, Ballard type offer but the fact is every one of those players have a chance to be Jackets for years to come and provide pretty good depth for a club that desperately needs it. They are not going to get back a 40 goal scorer for a 40 goal scorer making $7.8 mil so getting depth is key. Other offers you here tossed about have salary dump toss ins like Stoll or Penner who aren't going to remain Jacket players. When i see McKenzie saying the asking price right now would be centered around Schneider and Hodgson it makes sense. including an Edler is not realistic and likely the jackets know that.

The question is can you interest the Jackets into a deal that uses Raymond and Schroeder instead of Hodgson? The bigger question is does Gillis even pursue it? I don't think he does.

[Per]

...if I'm Columbus GM and Vancouver comes a-calling, I wouldn't settle for than less Schneider, Hodgson, Edler and a first rounder.

No thanks.

I wouldn't trade Edler straight up for Nash

Neither would I.

[Knucklehead]

Neither would I trade Edler straight up for Nash and for me if the deal has to include Hodgson I wouldn't touch it either.

Edler has as many points as Nash does in the same amount of games played.

With Nash's contract I'm not sure I would trade Burrows straight up for him.

[Vpete]

Blob could probably shed some light on this with Ladd but he is apparently building a house in Winnipeg right now. He feels pretty good about the city and was getting tired of moving around being out of his control. Carolina, Chicago, Atlanta and then forced to Winnipeg.

The thing with Ladd is he needs a guy like Kesler or Sedin to make him better. Winnipeg is hedging bets that Little grows into a better playmaker but that remains to be seen.

however all bets are off right now as Chevaldayoff just said there are 'no untouchables' on the team.

Edit:

Gillis gets canned if Edler moves.

[Listercat]

I can't believe people are even entertaining the idea of trading up and coming youngsters for a bloated contract like Rick Nash carries. Players with contracts like Nash's are supposed to make those around him better. I see no evidence Rick Nash has done that. What has Rick Nash ever won as a player in the NHL? This is a player who should be in the upper echelons of league scoring but is a perrenial underacheiver. Sure he has all the tools except IMO his level of compete. He is another JBO, overrated, over paid and over hyped.