Canucks Acquire David Booth & Parts + Various Rumours

[Potatoe1]

Why would we want another center?

Good question.

From a depth perspective a young defenseman on an ELC is far more valuable then a young centre who will want around 2 mill. If Gillis does trade for Turris it's because he feels that Turris is a far better player then Tanev and that he can play on the wing with Kesler.

Otherwise a trade involving these 2 players makes no sense.

Turris has great pedigree and was fantastic in 4 playoff games last season, perhaps Gillis is sold?

Or perhaps the whole rumour is pure junk.

BTW Garoch is tweeting that Gillis is "working the phones" not that he is a great source either.

[tantalum]

I can't help but wonder if Turris would simply accept his qualifier at this point in the season if a team he wants to play on picks him up and then look for the long term deal next summer.

I'm of the opinion that acquiring Turris has a very good chance of having a huge payback in a couple of years. At the expense of Tanev I'm not sure but I guess we'll have to see what the deal is IF there is a deal.

[RoyalDude]

According to HF Boards Tanev is also taking a maintenance day today .

With Booth being signed for 4 more years I do believe Raymond is somewhat expendable now. He will be missed on the defensive side of things but offensively Booth is a bigger version of Raymond who can fly down the wing and hopefully know what to do when he gets there.

Raymond's biggest negative last season was that he did the same thing every time he had the puck. He would race to the opposing teams hash marks and the play would just die. He would either over stick handle and lose it, center it to nobody, get rubbed out by fleet footed defenders or try his predictable wrap around, and they all rarely worked. The main hope when he had the puck was that he would draw some kind of penalty. His speed will be missed on the PK and his ability to draw penalties with his terrific speed.

I see a lot of posters voicing concern over Booth's injury history but is no one concerned about Raymond when he returns? He is recovering from a very serious injury as well. Personally I'm concerned that he will only shy away from contact even more than he was last season.

Much like Raymond last season Kesler has gotten predictable with his cross the blue line and wrist it play which like Ovechkin, defenders have figured out. Booth will hopefully add more options to keep defenders guessing and he sounds like a shoot first player like Sammy only hopefully he will add a little chemistry to the line due to their history. Sammy always seemed like a rogue out their playing by his own rules and doing his own thing so I'm hoping Booth and Kesler will be a good 1-2 forward pairing that will stick together like the Sedins.

Didn't Booth have like one of the worst +/- in the NHL last season? So trading a very good quality, fast and highly skilled two way forward in Raymond to make some apparent room that we no longer have for him makes sense? Do you not agree that Mason's ability to gain the offensive and maintain possession with puck with his speed and ability to turn on a dime and stick handle in a phone both does not make him a valuable asset and member to our Forward Unit? I don't understand this weird desire to trade Mason and for what?

That being said, he ain't going anywhere fast cause no team is going to give up big assets on a player coming off a serious injury and vice versa for Gillis, who is not going to give up the potential of a healthy return of Raymond for peanuts. Get used to it, he ain't going anywhere, the coaching staff, management and teamates actually like having Raymond on the team.

[RoyalDude]

How the hell does a trade involving Turris, another centre for Tanev make sense for us? Especially when you consider that our defense is no our thinnest position when it comes to depth.

[BladesofSteel]

While Tanev is clearly the most NHL ready right now among all the defensive prospects, he also has the highest trade value due to his NHL experience both regular and post-season. If there is one player who could become expendable to bring in a high-end talent, it could very well be Tanev.

Sauve, Polesek, Connauton, Corrado, and Erixon all have potential, while there is still some uncertainty as to what Tanev's offensive upside really is.

I just hope that if Gillis is indeed putting something together for Kyle Turris, that Shane Doan is in the mix as well.

Sedin Sedin Burr
Booth Kes Doan
Higgins Turris Hansen
Manny Lappy Weiss

Pipe dream indeed.

[tantalum]

Read some rumours that Booth was told by DeBoer to simply go out and try to score because no one else could and was sort of absolved of defensive responsibilities. I don't expect him to be as good as Raymond or Higgins defensively but I also don't expect him to be terrible. The Gillis MO so far has been acquiring or signing guys that know how to play the defensive side of the puck (even Samuelsson when he put his mind to it could be solid enough defensively). I don't think he's going to be a REne Bourque or Curtis Glencross who get lost and don't care from the red line back 5-on-5. BUT, I could be wrong as I don't watch many Panthers games.

[Jovocop]

Didn't Booth have like one of the worst +/- in the NHL last season? So trading a very good quality, fast and highly skilled two way forward in Raymond to make some apparent room that we no longer have for him makes sense? Do you not agree that Mason's ability to gain the offensive and maintain possession with puck with his speed and ability to turn on a dime and stick handle in a phone both does not make him a valuable asset and member to our Forward Unit? I don't understand this weird desire to trade Mason and for what?

That being said, he ain't going anywhere fast cause no team is going to give up big assets on a player coming off a serious injury and vice versa for Gillis, who is not going to give up the potential of a healthy return of Raymond for peanuts. Get used to it, he ain't going anywhere, the coaching staff, management and teamates actually like having Raymond on the team.

If Vancouver is a goalie graveyard, Florida must be a hockey players graveyard. There were only 4 panthers in the plus side last season. Yes, four players out of the roster. Three players were even and the rest were minus. Besides Weiss (20:05 TOI/G), Booth was second among all the Panthers forwards icetime (18:53 TOI/G). As for the Canucks, only 9 players were on the minus last season. Out of those nine players, only one played more than 30 games and that was Lapierre (who was traded to the Canucks on the deadline). I would imagine Booth, playing along side Kesler and Higgins, be an even or plus player this season.

[Corb]

How the hell does a trade involving Turris, another centre for Tanev make sense for us? Especially when you consider that our defense is no our thinnest position when it comes to depth.

This is what I can't figure out. I'm no expert on Turris, but from what I've seen Tanev is not equal value. Perhaps Hodgson is involved as well, and a defensmen, or a defensive prospect comes this way with Turris.

Either way, something seems to be going on. Maybe we need a new thread.

[Benjo]

Do you not agree that Mason's ability to gain the offensive and maintain possession with puck with his speed and ability to turn on a dime and stick handle in a phone both does not make him a valuable asset and member to our Forward Unit? I don't understand this weird desire to trade Mason and for what?

I agree that he can gain the zone and with speed and stop on a dime but I disagree with the idea that he can stick handle in a phone booth or maintain possession in the opposing teams zone. Last season the play died on his stick countless times and the biggest complaint about Raymond was that he skates faster than his hands can handle. I do agree though he is not going to be traded anytime soon.

On the Turris front I think if you can get a player with his upside especially for a player like Tanev you do it in a heartbeat. Turris has potential to be a PPG or better player which is better than Tanev's peak of a #4-6ish defenseman. Would it be better if he was a born winger? yes, but I still think you get Turris if he's available.

[Jovocop]

How the hell does a trade involving Turris, another centre for Tanev make sense for us? Especially when you consider that our defense is no our thinnest position when it comes to depth.

Tanev is not the next Lidstrom nor Edler. He is good but not the greatest or else he would be in the line up by now. MG might not stop by simply trading Tanev (if indeed the rumour is true). He might have something else in mind (like trying to get bigger and tough on the defense by trading one of the forwards).

[RoyalDude]

How the hell does a trade involving Turris, another centre for Tanev make sense for us? Especially when you consider that our defense is no our thinnest position when it comes to depth.

Tanev is not the next Lidstrom nor Edler. He is good but not the greatest or else he would be in the line up by now. MG might not stop by simply trading Tanev (if indeed the rumour is true). He might have something else in mind (like trying to get bigger and tough on the defense by trading one of the forwards).

And Turris is not the next Steve Yzerman. WTF has Turris done to date IN THE NHL??? Everyone's talking like Turris is Joe Sakic for fuck sakes.

[RoyalDude]

Do you not agree that Mason's ability to gain the offensive and maintain possession with puck with his speed and ability to turn on a dime and stick handle in a phone both does not make him a valuable asset and member to our Forward Unit? I don't understand this weird desire to trade Mason and for what?

I agree that he can gain the zone and with speed and stop on a dime but I disagree with the idea that he can stick handle in a phone booth or maintain possession in the opposing teams zone. Last season the play died on his stick countless times and the biggest complaint about Raymond was that he skates faster than his hands can handle. I do agree though he is not going to be traded anytime soon.

On the Turris front I think if you can get a player with his upside especially for a player like Tanev you do it in a heartbeat. Turris has potential to be a PPG or better player which is better than Tanev's peak of a #4-6ish defenseman. Would it be better if he was a born winger? yes, but I still think you get Turris if he's available.

OK so tell me, where do you slot Turris in if we are apparently trading for him? Cody Hodgson, Malhotra and Turris battle it out for the 3rd line centre position? While we are at it, maybe we should ask L.A. if they want to trade Bernier to us so he can share goalie duties with Schneider and Luongo.

[RoyalDude]

Didn't Booth have like one of the worst +/- in the NHL last season? So trading a very good quality, fast and highly skilled two way forward in Raymond to make some apparent room that we no longer have for him makes sense? Do you not agree that Mason's ability to gain the offensive and maintain possession with puck with his speed and ability to turn on a dime and stick handle in a phone both does not make him a valuable asset and member to our Forward Unit? I don't understand this weird desire to trade Mason and for what?

That being said, he ain't going anywhere fast cause no team is going to give up big assets on a player coming off a serious injury and vice versa for Gillis, who is not going to give up the potential of a healthy return of Raymond for peanuts. Get used to it, he ain't going anywhere, the coaching staff, management and teamates actually like having Raymond on the team.

If Vancouver is a goalie graveyard, Florida must be a hockey players graveyard. There were only 4 panthers in the plus side last season. Yes, four players out of the roster. Three players were even and the rest were minus. Besides Weiss (20:05 TOI/G), Booth was second among all the Panthers forwards icetime (18:53 TOI/G). As for the Canucks, only 9 players were on the minus last season. Out of those nine players, only one played more than 30 games and that was Lapierre (who was traded to the Canucks on the deadline). I would imagine Booth, playing along side Kesler and Higgins, be an even or plus player this season.

Yeah, I can relate somewhat, but MINUS 31 last year, WOW! The dude must have been on for a ton of goals against after you offset the decent amount of points he put up last year.

[Benjo]

I guess it would be unfathomable to put Turris on the wing..

[Benjo]

Yeah, I can relate somewhat, but MINUS 31 last year, WOW!

Didn't Lu make some records in Florida for most saves in a season or something? Florida has never really placed any value in defence, defensive players or defensive systems.