#17 Kesler Should be Back Soon

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Re: #17 Kesler Should be Back Soon

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well I for one have been impressed with CoHo's skating. That was by far and away (or at least the loudest) biggest concern with him. His hustl in the last 2 games was great to see.

I dont think that it will be a big transition to switch to the wing for a guy with the reported hockety smarts of Cody. It is far easier to switch to the wing as a center, than to switch to center as a winger.
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sagebrush wrote: The KB3/4 defensive pairing shakes my confidence in AV as a coach. Both these guys like to take risks/ be aggressive (more than Hamhuis & Salo), and (KB3/4) benefit from pairing with a more defensely focused D. I hope it goes well, but it could end badly, and hurt Ballard's progress. There has been more caution in Ballard's game this year..... some cause for hope.
I have hope, because it's probably the most illogical lineup move that AV has made since he split up Kesler and Burrows. :)
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Hockey Widow wrote: Bieksa/Ballard
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Strangelove wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: Bieksa/Ballard
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Strangelove wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: Bieksa/Ballard
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The board should actually filtre that out as profanity.
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Strangelove wrote:The Giveaway Kids!
AV is clearly setting his whipping boy up for failure just before the return of the Roman god.
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Nah, AV`s just preparing a `distraction` for Keslers first few games back which might not be worth watching...
So, the media will be shocked and horrified by the KB twins playing hot-potatoe with the puck and thus be (conveniently) looking the other way when Kes makes a slew of boo-boos.
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I've been slammed with work so far this season, so I'll enter into this with a big caveat that I've seen very little of the first five games, but my understanding is that MM has been struggling a bit out of the gate.

Is there any truth to this?

If no, there's no issue that needs addressing.

But if the answer is yes, is it due to conditioning issues b/c of off-season procedures, or has his injury caused a more permanent drop in effectiveness? What's the consensus? Is he noticeably less effective than his best performances last season?

If Manny is indeed a lesser player than he once was - and if the CoHo-at-wing experiment fails - might it not make sense to consider Cody as the 3C with Malhotra on the wing?

Twins - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Samuelsson
Hansen - Hodgson - Malhotra

I remember when MM was signed last off-season, much was made of the fact that he could line up at either position and had experience playing on the wing. As our FO specialist, he could, of course, still take key face-offs if needed, and that 3rd line would have 2 natural centres if one is waved off the dot.

Seems like an option worth considering if the 2RW experiment faceplants.

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wienerdog wrote: Is there any truth to this?
Manny to me has just looked very rusty.

He has been having trouble finding the puck on his stick and making some plays (big and small) that I would expect him to make...

He is still money on the dot, but mediocre at best in other areas.

Does not look like a conditioning issue, just looks extremely rusty and hopefully it wears off in time.
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Bieksa/Ballard
Maybe AV wants Edler/Hamhuis covering Kesler for the first few games back. And, give the Twins the KB3/4 pairing. It'll make Kesler's line pretty defensively responsible, even if Kesler is rusty. And, it gives the Twins an awful lot of fear factor with to pinching defensemen. I hope Lou does better on the breakaways tonight than he did on the shootouts, cuz KB3/4 will be giving up a few. :?
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This (Rangers Oct 18th) has the makings of a very interesting game

With so many changes made at the same time it could be a challenge keeping track of what’s working and what isn’t. KB3/4, 2nd line, 3rd line.
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If the long term plan is to have a T4D of Ballard, Bieksa, Edler and Hamhuis (a mobile and physical group IMO), then one of Ballard, Hamhuis or Edler has to move over to the right side. Ballard has been tried there and it hasn't worked too well. If we can get Edler or Hamhuis comfortable with playing the right side, then we have a lot of flexibility going forward. I wonder if the strategy of putting Edler and Hamhuis together is just to make sure the other has a reliable defensive partner while they are learning the right side?

This would allow us to limit Salo's even strengh minutes and increase Ballard's. A 3rd pairing of Alberts/Rome/Salo would be a pretty nice luxury to have, and we would still have Salo (quite possibly still our best all around defenseman) to play first unit PP/PK minutes.
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herb wrote:If the long term plan is to have a T4D of Ballard, Bieksa, Edler and Hamhuis (a mobile and physical group IMO), then one of Ballard, Hamhuis or Edler has to move over to the right side. Ballard has been tried there and it hasn't worked too well. If we can get Edler or Hamhuis comfortable with playing the right side, then we have a lot of flexibility going forward. I wonder if the strategy of putting Edler and Hamhuis together is just to make sure the other has a reliable defensive partner while they are learning the right side?

This would allow us to limit Salo's even strengh minutes and increase Ballard's. A 3rd pairing of Alberts/Rome/Salo would be a pretty nice luxury to have, and we would still have Salo (quite possible still our best all around defenseman) to play first unit PP/PK minutes.
If the intention was to move Edler to the right side then why didn't they start the process in training camp?
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Potatoe1 wrote:If the intention was to move Edler to the right side then why didn't they start the process in training camp?
I don't know if that's the intention, I'm just hypothesizing. It would make sense that they would start that process in training camp, but maybe the coaching staff thought that the Ballard/Tanev pairing would be more effective in the first three games? Did Edler play more than one game in the pre-season?
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