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Post by levelheaded » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:11 pm

Mooger35 wrote:Our youth is going to have to step it up HUGE!
HEY EVERYBODY! LET'S RUSH HODGSON! MIGHT AS WELL DESTROY HIS DEVELOPMENT WHILE WE'RE AT IT! :D

Can you actually imagine a 2nd line of

Raymond-Wellwood-Hansen?

That is a terrifying thought.

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Post by Mooger35 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:13 pm

I actually had Raymond-Wellwood-Grabner

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Post by hoopsjunky » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:14 pm

The problem is, I don't think our youth is anywhere near ready.

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Post by BingoTough » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:15 pm

Well good luck to Markus. We didn't deserve him.

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Post by Puck » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:15 pm

Beautiful. So, our all-time leading scorer departs for the much-hated Rangers. The Canucks lose 25 goals and arguably the most offensively talented player on the team for zip. Even if they get Sundin (and why would he sign now?), who's he going to play with?

Nonis must have twisted set of emotions right about now, I'd think.

Thanks for all the great goals, Markus. I wish we could have sent you off with some style and grace.

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Post by levelheaded » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:18 pm

Puck wrote:Thanks for all the great goals, Markus. I wish we could have sent you off with some style and grace.
I was hoping to see #19 hanging from the Rafters some day. I can't wait for the former Naslund haters to start jumping out of the woodwork and start claiming to have liked him all along. As a long time supporter of his I feel justified in saying "you got what you wished for you insufferable douchebags."

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Post by sic puppy » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:19 pm

Best of luck to you Markus.

To those who wanted him gone...you got your wish.

To those who wanted him to stay at 2.5 - 3 :lol: :lol:

Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side.

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Post by DonCherry4PM » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:22 pm

Well at least people will actually come to see what this team is without Naslund. Hope he scores a bundle over in NY, will serve the fickle fans of Van a dish of justice.

On the other side, I hate to see him go. One of my all-time favourite players. Wish him best of luck.

Man, I really did think MG was going to do something, but now it looks as though we are in for an absolutely horrible season. Well, maybe we can get a high draft next year - like #1..... Think my justifications for MG are going to come to a close pretty fast here.

Talk about disappointing. Jagr anyone???? Not that he would want to play over here, but Sundin has totally screwed us over, the FA market is totally barren now. We have lost our one legit 1st liner and have nothing to show for it in return. Maybe the sky really is falling in on Van City... Sweet.....
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Post by Farhan Lalji » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:31 pm

What carnage! :cry:

I agree with the sentiments expressed by Puck. At this point - I think it's safe to say that Sundin is out of the picture for Vancouver (as he should be).

Like I was saying earlier, this team still has....

A) Excellent goaltending
B) A solid defensive core.

Why not build around that?

-Canucks can still get tougher (Brashear is available).

-Canucks can still get Peca, who if used correctly, is still one of the premiere shut down forwards in the league.

-Canucks can still add some 5th/6th defensemen that could competently play 3/4 if injuries occurred.

A crazy thought (please keep in mind..I don't concretely feel this way, but here me out...just an idea).

Would YOU consider trading the Sedin twins for a top 5 defense man in this league? (i.e. Zdeno Chara).

IF something like that were to happen, the Canucks would arguably have the best defensive and goaltending depth in the entire league. A guy like Chara would not only make us have a legit. top 3 defense in the league (combined with the fact that we already have Ohlund, Edler, Mitchell, and Salo), but he would also make us tougher as well.

At this point, I don't know how much the Canucks will be able to maximize the twins if they stay. If the Sedins' are our ONLY offense, they will be easy to shut down (especially if they don't have an adequate line-mate)

Now? There would be almost NOTHING up front, but that is what the summer is for.

Gillis could then spend the summer acquiring and/or trading for a bunch of shut down forwards, PP specialists, and PK specialists. With 20 mill+ in cap space, Gillis could over pay a lot of these guys just to make sure they come (yes...not the most desirable option or strategy, but still....).

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Post by Mooger35 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:39 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:Would YOU consider trading the Sedin twins for a top 5 defense man in this league? (i.e. Zdeno Chara).
No. No I wouldn't.
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Post by levelheaded » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:41 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:What carnage! :cry:

I agree with the sentiments expressed by Puck. At this point - I think it's safe to say that Sundin is out of the picture for Vancouver (as he should be).

Like I was saying earlier, this team still has....

A) Excellent goaltending
B) A solid defensive core.

Why not build around that?

-Canucks can still get tougher (Brashear is available).

-Canucks can still get Peca, who if used correctly, is still one of the premiere shut down forwards in the league.

-Canucks can still add some 5th/6th defensemen that could competently play 3/4 if injuries occurred.

A crazy thought (please keep in mind..I don't concretely feel this way, but here me out...just an idea).

Would YOU consider trading the Sedin twins for a top 5 defense man in this league? (i.e. Zdeno Chara).

IF something like that were to happen, the Canucks would arguably have the best defensive and goaltending depth in the entire league. A guy like Chara would not only make us have a legit. top 3 defense in the league (combined with the fact that we already have Ohlund, Edler, Mitchell, and Salo), but he would also make us tougher as well.

At this point, I don't know how much the Canucks will be able to maximize the twins if they stay. If the Sedins' are our ONLY offense, they will be easy to shut down (especially if they don't have an adequate line-mate)

Now? There would be almost NOTHING up front, but that is what the summer is for.

Gillis could then spend the summer acquiring and/or trading for a bunch of shut down forwards, PP specialists, and PK specialists. With 20 mill+ in cap space, Gillis could over pay a lot of these guys just to make sure they come (yes...not the most desirable option or strategy, but still....).
So we have the best defence, where do our goals come from? As for NHL proven forwards we have Sedin, SEdin, Kesler, Pyatt, Pettinger, Burrows, Johnson, Hordichuk, Wellwood.

That's it.

Number of superstars: 0
Number of first liners: 2
Number of 2nd liners 0.5 (if you consider Wellwood a 2nd liner, but I don't)
Number of 3rd/4th liners: 6

Trading the Sedins at this point would be insane. As great as a world class defence would be, you still need scoring. I'd prefer to have the best offence than the best defence.

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Post by Farhan Lalji » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:51 pm

[quote="levelheaded]
So we have the best defence, where do our goals come from? .[/quote]

I guess under my scenario, you would have...

-4 balanced lines. After making the hypothetical Sedin's for Chara trade, I would spend the summer signing and/or trading for a bunch of players that would either be classified as "very good" 3rd line players and/or "marginal" 2nd line players. All 4 lines would be similar in this regard. I also think that in situations like this, you will often get players that will unexpectedly emerge (i.e. players that normally wouldn't get 1st/2nd line duty, playing a little better than usual).

-Great special teams. With quality defensemen and a few PP specialists up front, Canucks can deliver here.

Anyway - probably a stupid idea...but I thought of it. I should probably stop "thinking out loud" on here. :P

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Post by Madcombinepilot » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:01 pm


I guess under my scenario, you would have...

-4 balanced lines
yeah, but 4 ballanced 4th lines will get you nowhere
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Post by Antony » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:05 pm

Think about it. 2.5 years ago this team was a good scorer away from being a contender. Nonis couldn't land one and, apparently MG can't either. Those of you who are calling for more defense should remember that the NHL is suppose to be a spectator sport. The Canucks were close to unwatchable last year. Next year? Now that's scary. How much is Centre Ice?

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Post by Larry Goodenough » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:16 pm

Good luck to Markus.

In the modern history of all of Vancouver sports, we have never seen the best player on the planet for any extended period of time.

Except when Markus was voted the Pearson award a few years ago. For that season, we had the best player on the planet on our team. To a city starving for greatness, he deserves all the credit in the world.

I then look at the Rangers - They have Gomez and Drury and Naslund as their top 3 forwards.

Their next 6 forwards look to be Zherdev, Prucha, Korpikoski, Voros, Dubinsky and Betts.

And Naslund says he went their because he thinks they can win the cup?

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