Bertuzzi placed on waivers

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Bertuzzi placed on waivers

Post by Linden Is God » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:25 am

As per TSN. This came as a shock seeing he's part of the old boys club Burke has assembled.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241810& ... pStory_nhl
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Post by mattola » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:26 am

holy shit. I bet we pick him up. I bet we do.

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Post by dr.dork » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:59 am

I would do it, only to make Farhan happy. And half the press in this town would have a heart attack and die, so there is that upside to think about.

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Post by Mooger35 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:02 am

$4 million is a lot for nothing...

It's over, accept it because.... it is what it is. ;-)
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Post by mattola » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:38 am

mattola wrote:holy shit. I bet we pick him up. I bet we do.

this by means doesnt indicate that I WANT him back. but it wouldnt shock me if he did.

even in his last season with vancouver he got 71 points with all the distraction. he has skill he has size.

his mind is fraked so I dont know where he fits with any team.

I love off seasons like this. its VERY entertaining.

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Post by jchockey » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:53 am

Where's Farhan on this?

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Post by West Coast Jets Fan » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:59 am

GMMG wants "character guys" not guys that are a charcter......

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Post by Farhan Lalji » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:30 pm

dr.dork wrote:I would do it, only to make Farhan happy. And half the press in this town would have a heart attack and die, so there is that upside to think about.
Even if a re-united WCE were only 70% of what they once were in comparison to their peak (or could atleast play at the level that they did in 05/06), then I still argue that we'd have a damn good team.

-The Sedin's could go back to playing on the 2nd line (where they flourish). The Sedin's could easily once again be one of the best 2nd lines in hockey.

-Kesler and Burrows would once again be one of the best 3rd line shut down forwards in the game.

Oh yeah - and we have Roberto freakin' Luongo.

Naslund would also be better if Bert was here (i.e. his best buddy, AND the fact that Nazzy could go back to playing his old style...if Veenyo permitted it).

I feel strongly about this issue, and I know I'm in the minority. Oh well....

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Post by clearwatercanuck » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:16 pm

WCE would still be good if they could stay healthy. This team should be able to add one more star player as well. Hossa or Shanahan for Experience

Naslund 4Mil Bertuzzi 4Mil Naslund 4Mil
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Post by magnum44 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:38 pm

It may not be logical to take on Bertuzzi's salary and baggage, but I wouldn't be disappointed if Gillis did. In light of a 56m salary cap Berttuzzi-Naslund-Mo/Wellwood/? still has the potential to be an effective line for ~20% of the cap. Naslund would probaly sign a 1year contract if this was the plan, which would give Gillis a decent bandaid for this year while the youth develops and allow him to make some moves during the season. Lot of ancillary considerations to take into account though, but as a pure hockey move a reconstituted WCE would still put up alot of points, especially on PP.
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Post by antro » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:56 pm

oh god...please no

this guy is completely bad karma...he did very little in anaheim this year, and was (according to anaheim fans) constantly floating. and that's on a team that plays a style that bertuzzi should have flourished in. what's he going to do with AV's style? honestly i'd rather have gary roberts.

i don't want the WCE back

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Post by Broda » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:22 pm

i may be half drunk at work here.. but clearwaters first two lines threw me off.. i don't get...
As much as i loved Berluzzi i don't think we need him or want him back at this point.. It hink he is and has been on the decline for a couple of years now. I love beeing nostalgic and wishing for the old WCE and a return of Clouts.. but some dreams are left in the pipes.. or something like that..

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Post by Soapy » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:34 pm

His back is a jigsaw puzzle & now he has concussion problems....yikes.....& could you imagine AV trying to coach him !!! LOL!!!
He might be a fit in Pit or another team closer to the CUP
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Post by Farhan Lalji » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:07 pm

antro wrote:a style that bertuzzi should have flourished in.
I'll have to disagree with that. If I'm not mistaken, Anaheim, as a team, had one of the lowest GF (if not, THE lowest GF) in the entire NHL. These guys were pretty much trapping all year. To add to that, Bertuzzi played on the 3rd line (as a RW'er) behind Corey Perry and Teemu Selanne.

Despite being on the 3rd line, and despite being on a very offensively inept TEAM, Bertuzzi still scored 15-16 goals if I'm not mistaken. That's not GREAT, but it's not as horrible as it looks either.

One more point that I'd like to consider:

-The last 2 seasons, both Naslund and Bertuzzi haven't played in "environments" (or circumstances) where they were at their best. Therefore - I can't conclusively say that both men are "washed up" (particularly if they played together).

-For the last two seasons, Naslund has played under Veenyo's system....which means that he hasn't been able to play his 'freestyle, high-paced, offensive style.' On top of that, Naslund has either had insufficient centers (i.e. Brian Smolinski), OR has had to play with the twins as a RW'er (a position of which that he's never been a superstar, AND with players that have very incompatible styles with his).

-Bertuzzi: Last season was a wash, as Bert was still recovering from back surgery...and was still very rusty upon returning. This past season, Bert played on the 3rd line behind Perry and Selanne. The times that he *DID* play on the top 2 lines, it was in positions where he has never been a superstar (i.e. left wing and/or center).


Bottom line? I don't think it's totally fair to judge both Naslund and Bertuzzi for these past two seasons. Both players played in situations/environments that were vastly DIFFERENT from their WCE days.

Back in 05/06 - the "Steve Moore" shadow was still casting a VERY huge shadow. 3 years later, I do not think this would be the case. In 05/06, Bert arguably had a "holier than though" attitude since he was a superstar. Perhaps he had a bad attitude. 3 years later, I do not believe this would be the case. Bertuzzi is no longer a superstar, and I highly doubt that the "primadonna" attitude would exist as result.

Lastly - a lot of Bertuzzi's old enemies from here (i.e. Crawford, etc., etc.) are no longer here. In a lot of ways, this could be a fresh new start for Bertuzzi (IF the media welcomed him back with open arms.....as they did with Linden in 01' after Linden was traded from the team in 98'...on not-so-good terms with the coach at the time).

In 05/06, the WCE were severely over-priced at $15 million (or whatever they were worth at that time). On top of that, the media here had EXTREMELY high expectations (albeit, unrealistic) of the WCE.

3 years later, this would NOT be the case. The WCE would only be worth 50-60% relative to their 05/06 price tag. The WCE would NOT have the burden of carrying bloated/unrealistic expectations. On top of that, the WCE would not be expected to carry this team as it once did.

For many years, Selanne played with bad knees and everyone thought he was washed up. He proved the critics wrong at the ripe old age of 36. I see no reason why Bert can't do the same (do we know for a fact if his back is still messed up?).

I'm sorry guys - I might be the ONLY guy in the world that thinks bringing the WCE back...may not be such a bad idea, but I stand by everything that I said.

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Post by Farhan Lalji » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:10 pm

p.s. And lest we forget. As "TERRIBLE" as the Canucks were in 05/06, that team still managed to put up 256 goals for the year.

If the WCE came back here and were ATLEAST as good as their 05/06 selves (worst case scenario....best case farfetched scenario is that they play like they did in their peak), then why couldn't we assume that the Canucks couldn't put up those kind of numbers again?

Now that Canucks have a much better (defensively sound) 'D', combined with Luongo, are GA would obviously be far far lower than our 05/06 campaign.

All of a sudden, our GF/GA differential would be very similar to what the Montreal Canadiens had this year.

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