Getting time to fire Vigneault

Grizzly · Post by **Grizzly** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:03 am

Considering what AV has to work with ... I think he has done a pretty good job. Does he make mistakes from time to time ... sure ... who doesn't.

We have beat this with a dead horse and I hate to rag ... but the guy(s) paid to really score aren't ... you can't expect Lou to play completely perfect all year ...

... are we in a slump ... yep ... but hopefully the All Star break will recharge guys a bit and maybe DN will swing a deal for some help ...

Grizz

MarkMM · Post by **MarkMM** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:56 am

- Second-line centre is out (Morrison), when secondary scoring was already an issue

- Top-four defenseman is out (Bieksa), along with various other injuries at times to the remaining top four (Ohlund, Mitchell, Salo), when defense was our strength

- AV is the reigning Jack Adams winner, and for all the bitching about AV changing lines too much preventing chemistry and consistency (which I agree with), how smart is it to change coaches after his second year here? Um yeah, not too smart there.

And yet we're still competitive, despite a weaker weakness (scoring) and a weakened strength (defense), this isn't AV's fault, he's holding a depleted team together with Scotch-tape, DN has to bring in reinforcements, we have to get healthy, and then we'll be able to make some well thought-out calls, without wetting our pants and panicking when bad luck and bad streaks hit.

Madcombinepilot · Post by **Madcombinepilot** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:46 am

Yeah. GREAT idea!

Fire the coach.

winner of tonights game is first in the division!

Kowch · Post by **Kowch** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:21 pm

Who exactly do you propose takes over the team then? I hear Glen Hanlon is available - he did such a great job in Washington. Paul Maurice might be available soon too after his fantastic job in Toronto.

This is what amuses me about "fire the coach" threads. Little to (mostly) no thought goes in to what happens AFTER he's let go. Whoopy... we've fired Vigneault... and we still have no players that can put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. So where's the benefit?

Vigneault is 74-44- 7 as head coach of the Canucks. Not too shabby. Yes, a lot of the credit goes to Luongo and our D core, but you can't say Vigneault hasn't been effective during his time behind the bench in Vancouver. Especially considering what he has to work with up front.

SRsez · Post by **SRsez** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:28 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote:
Canucks are now in 8th place.
and since we are pointing out the obvious,

we are 1 point out of 3rd.

See, there's the issue, MCP. We shouldn't be where we are. We shouldn't have lost 3 straight to the shittiest team in the league. Then we wouldn't be in 8th, wouldn't be 1 point out of third, etc.

And we should never, ever lose to that smug prick Squeaky.

AV has now proven that he is unable to get the team to go the extra mile.
He has proven that nothing has changed in Canuckville for 37 years - we still struggle mightily to get goals, and give up goals on practically every damn chance we give up.

Look at Colorado - without Sakic, Smyth & now Stastny, and yet they are humming right along. Do I need to point out how much more critical those guys are than Morrison, Bieksa & Mitchell?

Oh, and just a note Kowch, one of the very best coaches of all time is available. Pat Quinn on drugs makes a better coach than AV. So too would Larry Robinson. So there are definitely better choices available than AV.

Badfish · Post by **Badfish** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:34 pm

Kowch wrote:Who exactly do you propose takes over the team then? I hear Glen Hanlon is available - he did such a great job in Washington. Paul Maurice might be available soon too after his fantastic job in Toronto.

This is what amuses me about "fire the coach" threads. Little to (mostly) no thought goes in to what happens AFTER he's let go. Whoopy... we've fired Vigneault... and we still have no players that can put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. So where's the benefit?

Vigneault is 74-44- 7 as head coach of the Canucks. Not too shabby. Yes, a lot of the credit goes to Luongo and our D core, but you can't say Vigneault hasn't been effective during his time behind the bench in Vancouver. Especially considering what he has to work with up front.

Good post Kowch, I was going to ask the same question, who in all your wisdom do you think should take over as coach and lead the team to the cup? Who's going to come in and turn this team into a cup contender without any help from DN? AV's doing just fine with what he's got. Let's see what he and Nonis can do with an extra 8.5 mil or so!

cgyfireman · Post by **cgyfireman** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:34 pm

You guys have one of the best coaches in the league....no way you fire him.

Naslund Is King · Post by **Naslund Is King** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:57 pm

AV is not one of the best coaches in the league.

No way is he top 5.

Top 10? I doubt it.

levelheaded · Post by **levelheaded** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:35 pm

Naslund Is King wrote:AV is not one of the best coaches in the league.

No way is he top 5.

Top 10? I doubt it.

He was voted the best coach in the league last year.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to put him in the top 5, let alone the top 10...

Naslund Is King · Post by **Naslund Is King** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:44 pm

That award should have been Nolan's... not AV's.

Babcock, Gulien, Nolan, Sutter, Caryle hell even Gretzky are better then AV.

I don't think AV should be fired yet... but if there is another 1st or 2nd round exit in the playoffs this year or hell, they miss the playoffs(not likely though) he should be on very very thin ice.

SRsez · Post by **SRsez** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:30 am

cgyfireman wrote:You guys have one of the best coaches in the league....no way you fire him.

What do you know? Another EBL=more bullshit. Quelle surprise.

Calgary has one of the best coaches in the league - too bad for them he's the GM.

SRsez · Post by **SRsez** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:32 am

We'll wait until the end of next year's playoff run. Then all you guys that don't want him fired will be screaming for his head.

As usual, I'm about a year & a half ahead of the curve.

Tukaram · Post by **Tukaram** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:37 am

SRsez wrote:We'll wait until the end of next year's playoff run. Then all you guys that don't want him fired will be screaming for his head.

As usual, I'm about a year & a half ahead of the curve.

Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back.

SRsez · Post by **SRsez** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:46 am

Tukaram wrote:
SRsez wrote:We'll wait until the end of next year's playoff run. Then all you guys that don't want him fired will be screaming for his head.

As usual, I'm about a year & a half ahead of the curve.
Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back.

Don't worry, I realize I know more about the Canucks than about 95% of so called "die hard" fans. I just enjoy enlightening the world with my insight.

jchockey · Post by **jchockey** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:50 am

Grizzly wrote:Considering what AV has to work with ... I think he has done a pretty good job. Does he make mistakes from time to time ... sure ... who doesn't.

Grizz

I completely agree. DN has to go before AV because i feel DN hasn't done anything since getting Luongo to improve the team.