cerios wrote:I listed 13 guys that quite frankly anyone who knows about hockey to any real extent wouldn't argue with.
cerios wrote:including Chara who is arguably the best defencemen
cerios wrote:your really not worth debating with on this subject as you clearly have no real knowledge on the subject.
SRsez wrote:Okay, go ask twenty people over the age of 18 who the best defenseman in the league is. Not a freaking one will pick Chara - not one, unless they happen to be Bruins fans. So "argue" all you want - you're only arguing with yourself - everybody else knows it's like asking who's a better goalie, Luongo or Oprah.
Island Nucklehead wrote:The guy has been a Norris finalist, when was the last time Ohlund was? Chara was a finalist in 03/04 and voted fourth last season. That, to me, suggests that some people think he is the best defenceman in hockey. And I'm also pretty sure that the people who vote on this stuff are over 18, and know more about hockey than you or I.
And just when was the last time Ohlund played in the weaker Eastern Conference in front of the biased eastern media that goes to sleep before Ohlund plays 90% of his games?
For me, Ohlund is in the category of highly skilled D below the Niedermayer, Pronger, Lidstrom and Zubov group.
Okay, go ask twenty people over the age of 18 who the best defensemen in the league is. Not a freaking one will pick Chara - not one, unless they happen to be Bruins fans. So "argue" all you want - you're only arguing with yourself - everybody else knows it's like asking who's a better goalie, Luongo or Oprah.
cerios wrote:Suggesting that a guy playing on the Canucks, one of the showcase teams of the last 5 or so years doesn't get seen is completely moronic.
moron wrote:I don't think describing him as a Regher type defencemen is an insult.
can I get any stupider? wrote:where did anyone say they thought Chara was the best defenseman in the league?
I guess indeed I can get stupider wrote:including Chara who is arguably the best defencemen
SRsez wrote:How about when you, you complete & utter fool, wrote this:I guess indeed I can get stupider wrote:including Chara who is arguably the best defencemen
Has anyone ever once in his career considered Ohlund a norris candidate?
Island Nucklehead wrote:I think SRez is blowing the Eastern media bias a little out of proportion here. It's widely accepted that Anaheim has the two best D-men in the league, and they reside in the West.
All the childish name-calling aside, someone made a good point that at Ohlunds pay, he's a pretty good bargain, and I have to agree. If we're looking at moving salary, the price-performance ratio for Ohlund is much better than say Morrison or Cooke (I'd throw Kesler in there, but we're stuck with his salary so there's no point complaining about it).
Ohlund is not a top 10 guy in the show, and that's probably why he's not paid like one. Chara at 7Mil, Jovo at 6.5? I like Ohlund at his current salary, thank you very much. Come the offseason we're going to need to look quite seriously at our D situation, if we want to keep Salo (who is slightly tougher than Dan Cloutier's knees) we might have to sacrifice Ohlund. With Mitchell in the fold, and BXA comming along nicely, and most likely Bourdon playing a similar style to Ohlund's, we could use the offensive help a little more than the stay-at-home type. As far as this season is concerned, I keep Ohlund, and look to move Cooke for a bag of pucks, then shell out a draft pick for some help.