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Source; the Athletic,

5v5 Goals Against/60, (per-game). 19/20 season:

-Troy Stecher 2.25

-Alex Edler 2.53

-Chris Tanev 2.59

-Oscar Fantenberg 2.68

-Quinn Hughes 2.78

-Tyler Myers 3.1

It doesn't give a totally accurate assessment because it isn't factoring in, (minutes played). or (line matching).
But we Doooooooooooo need more help then what we have in our own organization. IMO.
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Curmudgeon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:14 am Benning had said for a while they had to upgrade the defense and it wasn't going to be Hughes, Edler, or Myers so how can it be a surprise when Tanev and Stecher are out? Plus it sounds like he didn't have much contact with their agents over a period of time, the writing was clearly on the wall, but the mistake he made with those two was circling back to them after OEL and a couple other things fell apart and that's a poor look.

My issue is the lack of preparation. They knew they needed to move on from Tanev, Stecher, and also ultimately Edler and haven't prepared. Since Benning took over they've had 12 picks in the first two rounds and only selected defensemen three times despite the glaring need and only one of those were right side. Then this past year he gave up assets to get two more forwards in Miller and Toffoli when they should have used some of those to target a RHD instead of, say, Toffoli. Both good players and good additions but were they both necessary at the expense of the defense? Anyway, dead horse and all. lol
Well said. This is probably a fairly accurate take on why most people are feeling a bit less than impressed with Benning & Co. right now.

I wonder if they got derailed by the sudden availability of OEL on the market, took their shot, missed, and because they didn't think they were going to miss they let a few other balls drop.

Either way, what you say about stated needs and the appearance of unpreparedness rings true.
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I wouldn't read too much into the media narrative that they failed and circled back ...

Especially when you consider how concerned the media were about being able to resign Toffoli because his wife worked in LA and he would be most likely to sign with a California team in the offseason...

The only player I think they seriously wanted back was Markstrom and I think that they would have kept him had it not been for their faith in Demko...

Tanev to a lesser degree but I think they knew that there would be teams willing to stretch on him to acquire him so I doubt they thought that they had a realistic chance of retaining him....

My concern with Toffoli is his foot speed and I find it odd that Montreal would be in on him...They have a number of contracts already on the books for $ and term on older players which would suggest that they think their window is now, but the only elite players they have are Price and Webber and they have a gazillion picks in the first 3 rounds of next year's draft so it's hard to get a read on what they are doing...

For Toffoli to commit for 4 years to them given their lineup and his wife's employment is odd too...

This is an offseason where patience will be key and I'm glad that Benning hasn't blinked...

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Speaking of the mafia, Toffoli signs with the Habs 4x 4.25.

So that’s all the free agents gone except Motte, not what I thought would happen.

But fuck it, didn’t like those fuckers anyway.
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Curmudgeon wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:14 am With respect to HF, I'd imagine the crowd there would have crucified Benning for signing Tanev and Markstrom to the contracts they ended up getting so now they get to crucify him for not doing it. The end result was going to be the same for them regardless. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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rikster wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:22 am This is an offseason where patience will be key and I'm glad that Benning hasn't blinked...
Agreed.
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Its a harsh reality. Who knows how much more luck Benning would have had in moving contracts if COVID had not hit? I think he might have had more opportunity. But having said that this is the reality. The bad contracts have hurt any chance of signing some FA. But, for whatever reason, whether its Benning himself or a mandate fro ownership, Benning has not gone crazy and traded picks or good prospects to try and move contracts.

If we have to eat contracts this year lets hope we get a few kids into the lineup to give them some experience. Same for those that have two years left on term. Patience is indeed the key for the next two seasons. Being patient for two more seasons isn't closing any windows. Somewhere along the line he still maybe able to move a contract or two or make a good hockey trade. I just don't want to see reactionary panic set in and see him trading picks and assets.

I like that he he moved on from Markstrom at that cost, same with Tanev. TT I am on the fence because I think we could have absorbed that one.

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Hockey Widow wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:00 pm Its a harsh reality. Who knows how much more luck Benning would have had in moving contracts if COVID had not hit? I think he might have had more opportunity. But having said that this is the reality. The bad contracts have hurt any chance of signing some FA. But, for whatever reason, whether its Benning himself or a mandate fro ownership, Benning has not gone crazy and traded picks or good prospects to try and move contracts.

If we have to eat contracts this year lets hope we get a few kids into the lineup to give them some experience. Same for those that have two years left on term. Patience is indeed the key for the next two seasons. Being patient for two more seasons isn't closing any windows. Somewhere along the line he still maybe able to move a contract or two or make a good hockey trade. I just don't want to see reactionary panic set in and see him trading picks and assets.

I like that he he moved on from Markstrom at that cost, same with Tanev. TT I am on the fence because I think we could have absorbed that one.

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Good post but COVID had fuck all to do with Elmer moving those rancid contracts that HE signed. I’d imagine you could easily move Sutter with an asset like Madden tied to him. I think Sven is easily moved if he had a 2nd attached to him. But we got 17 games of Top Tittie right... Elmer painted himself into the corner. He is now finally realizing that
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:06 pm Good post but COVID had fuck all to do with Elmer moving those rancid contracts that HE signed.
You can't be this stupid, hopefully you just consumed yet another liquid lunch...
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Hockey Widow wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:00 pm Its a harsh reality. Who knows how much more luck Benning would have had in moving contracts if COVID had not hit? I think he might have had more opportunity. But having said that this is the reality. The bad contracts have hurt any chance of signing some FA. But, for whatever reason, whether its Benning himself or a mandate fro ownership, Benning has not gone crazy and traded picks or good prospects to try and move contracts.

If we have to eat contracts this year lets hope we get a few kids into the lineup to give them some experience. Same for those that have two years left on term. Patience is indeed the key for the next two seasons. Being patient for two more seasons isn't closing any windows. Somewhere along the line he still maybe able to move a contract or two or make a good hockey trade. I just don't want to see reactionary panic set in and see him trading picks and assets.

I like that he he moved on from Markstrom at that cost, same with Tanev. TT I am on the fence because I think we could have absorbed that one.

Breathe.....
It's not like they have to worry about selling tickets so why not take a step back and let the shitty contracts expire, don't sign any more shitty contracts, and give the prospects some NHL time in the meantime.
I think Jake was going to be their Toffoli plan B once they qualified him. And if the season goes completely sideways they should be able to trade him for a decent asset.
I didn't mind the cost of the lost UFA's, but the term just didn't make sense for the Canucks on any of them.
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Strangelove wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:15 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:06 pm Good post but COVID had fuck all to do with Elmer moving those rancid contracts that HE signed.
Im fairly stupid, hopefully I can still drive after I’ve just consumed yet another liquid lunch...
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:23 pm Fixed for truth Doc107
Truth is you're out to liquid lunch.

Just before Covid, Bill Daly announced the 2020-21 salary cap would be between $84M and $88M.

You're sitting there on a pile of your own excrement trying to justify the stench of dat dere.
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Strangelove wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:27 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:23 pm Fixed for truth Doc107
Truth is you're out to liquid lunch.

Just before Covid, Bill Daly announced the 2020-21 salary cap would be between $84M and $88M.

You're sitting there on a pile of your own excrement trying to justify the stench of dat dere.
Lol it doesn’t excuse the horrific contracts sucking up the tens of millions of dollars.


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Strangelove wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:27 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:23 pm Fixed for truth Doc107
Truth is you're out to liquid lunch.

Just before Covid, Bill Daly announced the 2020-21 salary cap would be between $84M and $88M.

You're sitting there on a pile of your own excrement trying to justify the stench of dat dere.
sounds like someone has a full diaper
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dangler wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:19 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:00 pm Its a harsh reality. Who knows how much more luck Benning would have had in moving contracts if COVID had not hit? I think he might have had more opportunity. But having said that this is the reality. The bad contracts have hurt any chance of signing some FA. But, for whatever reason, whether its Benning himself or a mandate fro ownership, Benning has not gone crazy and traded picks or good prospects to try and move contracts.

If we have to eat contracts this year lets hope we get a few kids into the lineup to give them some experience. Same for those that have two years left on term. Patience is indeed the key for the next two seasons. Being patient for two more seasons isn't closing any windows. Somewhere along the line he still maybe able to move a contract or two or make a good hockey trade. I just don't want to see reactionary panic set in and see him trading picks and assets.

I like that he he moved on from Markstrom at that cost, same with Tanev. TT I am on the fence because I think we could have absorbed that one.

Breathe.....
It's not like they have to worry about selling tickets so why not take a step back and let the shitty contracts expire, don't sign any more shitty contracts, and give the prospects some NHL time in the meantime.
I think Jake was going to be their Toffoli plan B once they qualified him. And if the season goes completely sideways they should be able to trade him for a decent asset.
I didn't mind the cost of the lost UFA's, but the term just didn't make sense for the Canucks on any of them.
Wow! I would have thought the playoffs would have meant everything after what we just witnessed in the summer.
I'm not aboard with throwing away a season. What's next; Tanking and other derivatives of the essence of the word?
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