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The Champions Hockey League (ruling champs Frölunda Indians from Sweden), which involves 32 teams from 13 countries, has decided to scrap the group play next season and go straight to double meet elimination games when starting in October.

With differing corona rules and legislation in 13 countries they figured they need to delay the start as long as possible and going straight to elimination games helps achieve this.
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What prospects do we look to be having play in that?
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Madcombinepilot wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:13 am What prospects do we look to be having play in that?
Hmm.... these are the teams:
Belarus - 2 places
Yunost Minsk (National Champions)
Neman Grodno (Regular Season Runners-Up)

Czech Republic - 3 places
Bílí Tygři Liberec (Regular Season Winners)
Oceláři Třinec (Regular Season Runners-Up)
Sparta Prague (Regular Season Third-Placed)

Denmark - 1 place
Aalborg Pirates (Regular Season Winners)

Finland - 4 places
Kärpät Oulu (Regular Season Winners)
Lukko Rauma (Regular Season Runners-Up)
Tappara Tampere (Regular Season Third-Placed)
Ilves Tampere (Regular Season Fourth-Placed)

France - 1 place
Grenoble (Regular Season Winners)

Germany - 4 places
Red Bull Munich (Regular Season Winners)
Adler Mannheim (Regular Season Runners-Up)
Straubing Tigers (Regular Season Third-Placed)
Eisbären Berlin (Regular Season Fourth-Placed)

Norway - 1 place
Stavanger Oilers (Regular Season Winners)

Poland - 1 place
GKS Tychy (National Champions)


Sweden - 5 places
Frölunda Indians (CHL Champions)
Luleå Hockey (Regular Season Winners)
Färjestad Karlstad (Regular Season Runners-Up)
Rögle Ängelholm (Regular Season Third-Placed)
Skellefteå AIK (Regular Season Fourth-Placed)

Switzerland - 5 places
ZSC Lions Zurich (Regular Season Winners)
EV Zug (Regular Season Runners-Up)
HC Davos (Regular Season Third-Placed)
Genève-Servette (Regular Season Fourth-Placed)
EHC Biel-Bienne (Regular Season Fifth-Placed)

United Kingdom - 1 place
Cardiff Devils (Regular Season Leaders)

IIHF Continental Cup Winners
SønderjyskE Vojens (Denmark)
So, if Höglander is still playing for Rögle, he is in.

Utunen in Tappara should be in as well.

Linus Karlsson has extended his contract with Karlskoga in the Swedish second tier league, but SHL teams can still nab him until June, so if one of the five teams qualified for the CHL does... Yeah, we'll see. Would probably be good for the Canucks to have him in the SHL next season.

Costmar, Plasek and Palmu are on teams that have not qualified, and Russia is not part of this. They want their KHL to be an international league in it's own right, and letting th ebest KHL teams play in the CHL would undermine that.

There has been some discussion though of having the CHL champions square off against the Gagarin Cup champions and then let the winner of that matchup challenge the Stanley Cup champions. Not seeing it happen in the near future, but there is a similar concept in football, crowning the best club team in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... Cup_finals
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Thanks for the info. And if you have time, Keep us updated on who is playing -- your the prince of Europe!!



On a side note, NHL champs will never play for another world title after winning the grail for a couple reasons.

1) NHL already best league in the world. Stanley's yearly champs would slaughter other teams.
2) NHL champs have international lineups already
3) variance in rules.
4) time. When would these games happen, and which league would change its regular season game so all the leagues finished up within a day or 2 so neither team gets extended rest and recover time advantages
5) Money. This is the kicker. With the CBA an dplayers getting 50%, and the KHL corrupt as fuck, how would the players know they are getting paid properly? There is no way the NHLPA is going to 'take the word' of KHL owners for revenue sharing. With 2 different financial systems in place, this is a non starter idea.
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Madcombinepilot wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:26 am Thanks for the info. And if you have time, Keep us updated on who is playing -- your the prince of Europe!!



On a side note, NHL champs will never play for another world title after winning the grail for a couple reasons.

1) NHL already best league in the world. Stanley's yearly champs would slaughter other teams.
2) NHL champs have international lineups already
3) variance in rules.
4) time. When would these games happen, and which league would change its regular season game so all the leagues finished up within a day or 2 so neither team gets extended rest and recover time advantages
5) Money. This is the kicker. With the CBA an dplayers getting 50%, and the KHL corrupt as fuck, how would the players know they are getting paid properly? There is no way the NHLPA is going to 'take the word' of KHL owners for revenue sharing. With 2 different financial systems in place, this is a non starter idea.
Well, I agree it's not going to happen. Not for the forseeable future at least.
The KHL would see its status lowered by acknowleding the CHL project, and the NHL doesn't care about other hockey leagues.

That being said...

NHL teams would win nine times out of ten, but not slaughter the opposition. As recently as in 2019 the Flyers lost to a Swiss team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i ... _NHL_teams

All leagues have international lineups, and rules can always be agreed on. IIHF and NHL rules are more similar today than they were in the 1970´s.
I would guess the international play would be held in th eoff season, Probably as pre-season entertainment.

Money? That can always be arranged.

But as we already agreed - won't happen. :drink:
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Björklöven (the other team in my heart) celebrated their 50th anniversary on Saturday. The team was created through the merger of the hockey sections from two sports clubs, IFK Umeå and Sandåkerns SK on May 15th 1970.

They had a live celebration over the internet, but could of course not fill the stadium, as was intended.
Anyway, among the many video greetings, you got to see both Patrik Sundström and Andrew Raycroft, and a third former Canuck, Daniel Rahimi, was presented as the newest addition to the team! After 13 years the Björklöven product is returning home at age 33. He was on the same gold winning team in Växjö as Petey two years ago, but now has signed a two+one year contract with the team that raised him and has a special place in his heart. The third year kicks in if Björklöven is back in the SHL by then. :thumbs:
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Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Björklöven (the other team in my heart) celebrated their 50th anniversary on Saturday. The team was created through the merger of the hockey sections from two sports clubs, IFK Umeå and Sandåkerns SK on May 15th 1970.
Was IFK Umeå the Bjork, and Sandåkerns SK the Loven? Or vice versa?
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ESQ wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:38 pm
Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Björklöven (the other team in my heart) celebrated their 50th anniversary on Saturday. The team was created through the merger of the hockey sections from two sports clubs, IFK Umeå and Sandåkerns SK on May 15th 1970.
Was IFK Umeå the Bjork, and Sandåkerns SK the Loven? Or vice versa?
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ESQ wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:38 pm
Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Björklöven (the other team in my heart) celebrated their 50th anniversary on Saturday. The team was created through the merger of the hockey sections from two sports clubs, IFK Umeå and Sandåkerns SK on May 15th 1970.
Was IFK Umeå the Bjork, and Sandåkerns SK the Loven? Or vice versa?
Well, in the dry summer of 1888 both Umeå and Sundsvall burnt to the ground.
As Umeå was rebuilt, they made a number of broad avenues in the city and lined them with birch trees, to prevent future fires from spreading. As a result Umeå gradually became known as The City of Birchtrees.

This in turn, lead to the IFK Umeå hockey team getting the nickname Björklöven, the birch Leaves, as a tongue in cheek reference to Canadian hockey combined with the birch trees of Umeå.

As the two teams Sandåkern and Umeå merged, they needed a new name, and of course neither team would happily just adopt the other team’s name, so someone suggested that Björklöven should become the official name, and that’s what they did.

So, whereas most hockey teams in Sweden are just named for the city or neighbourhood they’re from, Björklöven is one of the few to have a more North American style name.
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So Per... your team is names after the "leaves" ???? :oops:
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Cornuck wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 3:28 pm So Per... your team is names after the "leaves" ???? :oops:
In a manner... yes. But the maple leaves people talked about in Sweden back then were not the Toronto Maple Leaves, but the Canadian national team. No one knew much about the NHL back then. There was no coverage on TV or even in the papers.

Just like we call our own national team The Three Crowns, we also often refer to Canada as the Maple Leaves and the Finns as the Lions, based on the symbol on the jerseys.

Intriguingly, our arch nemesis, the much hated Skellefteå (pronounced she-left-you) actually have a maple leaf on their jerseys.....

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Much uglier than our symbol. :drink:

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Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:36 pm
ESQ wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:38 pm
Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Björklöven (the other team in my heart) celebrated their 50th anniversary on Saturday. The team was created through the merger of the hockey sections from two sports clubs, IFK Umeå and Sandåkerns SK on May 15th 1970.
Was IFK Umeå the Bjork, and Sandåkerns SK the Loven? Or vice versa?
Well, in the dry summer of 1888 both Umeå and Sundsvall burnt to the ground.
As Umeå was rebuilt, they made a number of broad avenues in the city and lined them with birch trees, to prevent future fires from spreading. As a result Umeå gradually became known as The City of Birchtrees.

This in turn, lead to the IFK Umeå hockey team getting the nickname Björklöven, the birch Leaves, as a tongue in cheek reference to Canadian hockey combined with the birch trees of Umeå.

As the two teams Sandåkern and Umeå merged, they needed a new name, and of course neither team would happily just adopt the other team’s name, so someone suggested that Björklöven should become the official name, and that’s what they did.

So, whereas most hockey teams in Sweden are just named for the city or neighbourhood they’re from, Björklöven is one of the few to have a more North American style name.
Thanks Per, after your scoop that Hoglander grew up in a village called Donkey-Swamp, this is my second favorite bit of Swedish trivia!
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ESQ wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 8:41 am
Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:36 pm
ESQ wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 1:38 pm
Per wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 12:53 pm Björklöven (the other team in my heart) celebrated their 50th anniversary on Saturday. The team was created through the merger of the hockey sections from two sports clubs, IFK Umeå and Sandåkerns SK on May 15th 1970.
Was IFK Umeå the Bjork, and Sandåkerns SK the Loven? Or vice versa?
Well, in the dry summer of 1888 both Umeå and Sundsvall burnt to the ground.
As Umeå was rebuilt, they made a number of broad avenues in the city and lined them with birch trees, to prevent future fires from spreading. As a result Umeå gradually became known as The City of Birchtrees.

This in turn, lead to the IFK Umeå hockey team getting the nickname Björklöven, the birch Leaves, as a tongue in cheek reference to Canadian hockey combined with the birch trees of Umeå.

As the two teams Sandåkern and Umeå merged, they needed a new name, and of course neither team would happily just adopt the other team’s name, so someone suggested that Björklöven should become the official name, and that’s what they did.

So, whereas most hockey teams in Sweden are just named for the city or neighbourhood they’re from, Björklöven is one of the few to have a more North American style name.
Thanks Per, after your scoop that Hoglander grew up in a village called Donkey-Swamp, this is my second favorite bit of Swedish trivia!
Bockträsk is actually ”goat swamp” or should I say ”buck swamp”? ’Bock’ is a male goat, which I guess could be called buck or billy in English. Also, while most Swedes think swamp when they hear träsk, the word is commonly used for lakes in the far north.

Either way, if you liked the story behind the name Björklöven, you may also like the story behind Vita Hästen, another team in Hockeyallsvenskan. Vita Hästen means White Horse and is a team from Norrköping that just like Björklöven is the result of a merger of the hockey sections of two teams. In this case IFK Norrköping and IK Sleipner.

You may notice that both in Umeå and Norrköping one of the original teams was called IFK and then the city name. This is because they are part of a movement that started in 1895 in Stockholm, IdrottsFöreningen Kamraterna, sort of ”the sports association the comrades”. These comrades have nothing with communism to do, it's more like "comrades in arms” or ”comradery.” These were some of the first sports teams in Sweden and in the year they were founded they managed to establish teams in at least seven cities. Today there are 168 IFK teams, mainly in Sweden, but also in Finland, Norway and Denmark. This movement was often tied to higher learning, and originally they mainly catered to the educated upper middle class. At the same time other sports teams called AIF were founded, AIF standing for Arbetarnas Idrottsförening, ie the Workers’ Sports Association... these mainly organised blue collar workers and tended to cooperate with the unions and the social democrats or sometimes the communists. There were also other teams just called IK or IF for Sports Club and Sports Association, as well as AIK standing for Allmänna Idrottsklubben, sort of ”the common sports club”. So, anyway, the sports movements of the late 19th, early 20th century was at times somewhat politicised, with the IFK teams mainly recruiting from the educated middle class and the AIF teams mainly manned by people doing physical labour. Thus eg in Kiruna, the mining town Börje and Stig Salming hail from, hockey games between IFK Kiruna and Kiruna AIF have always been very heated, and players have rarely moved between the two teams.

In Helsinki, Finland, for the longest time IFK Helsingfors only had Swedish speaking players, while the Finnish speakers played for Jokerit. It’s not as strict today though, they now opt for the best players available, and as Jokerit now has a Russian owner and plays in the KHL, the age old rivalry no longer really works the way it used to, as the teams don’t really play eachother any more. :(

But I digress. Back to Norrköping.

IK Sleipner was formed in 1903, when national romanticism was strong, and the name Sleipner ties in with wanting to tie back to a viking heritage as it is based in Old Norse religion; Sleipner is the eight legged horse that Odin rides. Thus their team logo featured a horse with eight legs.

Just as in Umeå, at some point the two main sports clubs in Norrköping decided to merge their hockey sections, partly so the city would have a better hockey team, partly so the original teams could focus on football and other sports. This came to fruition in 1967.

Now, most of the IFK teams use the same colours, white and blue, and IFK Norrköping consequently used white jerseys and blue shorts. Locally they were referred to as ”the white team”, and many disparingly referred to Sleipner as ”the horse”.
As they merged someone suggested the new team should be named ”The White Horse” and it won general approval. It may have helped that in the 1950’s and all the way into the 1970’s the Austrian operetto The White Horse Inn was hugely popular throughout Scandinavia, so The White Horse had a nice ring to it.

The White Horse has still never managed to reach the SHL, even though they have played qualification games four times.

So, now you know the story behind two of the more interesting team names in Swedish hockey. :)


In contrast, in 1971, when the two Jönköping based teams Husqvarna* IF and Vätterstads IF merged, the best they could come up with was HV71. :roll:


*yes, they make chain saws and motor cycles , among other things
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Goat Swamp is definitely a keeper Per. Thanks for that.

I also read somewhere that Jarnkrok's name means Iron Hook, which is very cool if true.
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Husqvarna makes a helluva good value hunting rifle too.

Best....bang for your buck?

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