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Richardstroker69 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:57 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:50 am ‘Let’s take out best winger and make a centre out of him. :lol: We already have two excellent centres but one of them was drafted by Mike Gillis so he should be on the third line.’ :lol:
How about we take our best forward and put him in the most important position? Also stop looking at it like “lulz bo is a third liner how stupid”, look at it like bo miller and petey can have equal minutes with minimal drop off on offensive production. Quit trolling.
There’s no quality wingers left to play on the top two lines other than Boeser. Pearson is slowing down and Toffoli isn’t guaranteed to be back. They either need to develop Gaudette or they need to acquire a third line centre through trade. Sutter and Beagle are overpaid 4th liners. Moving your top winger to the middle is asinine especially when they have two great centres. Maybe they can get Myers to play the wing if they move Miller to centre full time. :lol:
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SKYO wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:15 pm
Curmudgeon wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:30 pm
Meds wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:32 pm
It will depend upon what Jake's agent is seeking.

If it's another short-term deal at $3M or less you keep him. He's a wild card, and in a bottom-6 role the kid can be a game changer that other teams just can't counter because suddenly he shows up and plays like a first line power forward and they have no plan B.

But he will need to have a very big game tonight and then tomorrow if we survive.
He's a better skating Jim Sandlak at this point whatever that is worth. If they re-sign Toffoli they'll have to decide whether they want to continue to wait on Virtanen to be the player he "could" be or hedge the bet on Boeser and whether he'll be worth in the vicinity of the big qualifying offer he's due in a couple years. What's the more likely scenario, Virtanen being that player or Boeser returning to his rookie form?

A signed Toffoli, Boeser, Virtanen, Podkolzin, and MacEwen available for the top three RW spots makes for some tough decisions with Motte hopefully signed for the 4th line. Plus they may have Lind further down the road.
idk we've waited 5 years on Virtanen to get his shit together and he's incrementally increased his goal totals (10, 15, 18) and points (20, 25, 36) slightly every year, but he always show up to camp/preseason, including this years qualifier in the doghouse. I'd say he'll manage to have a couple killer years scoring 30 magically one year, if he can get it together and play in the top 6 regularly.

But Green who has been coaching him since Utica seems a bit done with him a bit, JV has the NHL size and speed, just his skill is a bit lacking, confidence off/on, and his party ways are a hindrance.

They may try to sign him for cheap in hopes he can up his value to the team, which is the safe conservative option or try to trade him while he still has perceived upside. But agreed with what SL has said, should play him with Petey for a full season, get him 25+ goals, then trade his ass.
I wouldn't be surprised if they moved on from both Virtanen and Boeser in the next year or so. That Boeser qualifying offer looms large and is a couple million more than he's worth based on his second and third seasons and I don't think Virtanen ever grows up while playing at home.
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Chef Boi RD wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:15 am
I’ve mentioned this before, put Miller at centre and go with a top 9. Most the league has adapted the top 9 model.

The future

Hoglander Petey Podkolzin
Virtanen Miller Lind
Xxxxxxx Horvat Boeser
Motte Gaudette MacEwan

Lockwood
Do you really see Horvat and a $7 million re-signed Boeser on the 3rd line? Miller is the best winger they have and if healthy, I actually think he can produce even more next year. I wouldn't mess with that. That's putting a lot of faith in Virtanen too.

Other than Motte, who kills penalties?
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:33 pm
Richardstroker69 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:57 am
Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:50 am ‘Let’s take out best winger and make a centre out of him. :lol: We already have two excellent centres but one of them was drafted by Mike Gillis so he should be on the third line.’ :lol:
How about we take our best forward and put him in the most important position? Also stop looking at it like “lulz bo is a third liner how stupid”, look at it like bo miller and petey can have equal minutes with minimal drop off on offensive production. Quit trolling.
There’s no quality wingers left to play on the top two lines other than Boeser. Pearson is slowing down and Toffoli isn’t guaranteed to be back. They either need to develop Gaudette or they need to acquire a third line centre through trade. Sutter and Beagle are overpaid 4th liners. Moving your top winger to the middle is asinine especially when they have two great centres. Maybe they can get Myers to play the wing if they move Miller to centre full time. :lol:
Pearson is slowing down??? How many points did he put up this year? If sutter or Louie are moved toffoli will be back. Finding a third line center through trade is a lot harder than finding a top 6 winger through trade(Not to mention we have one I ferland that may be good to go). Miller is an excellent center and can drive play on his line, so can petey, and bo, my as well use what we have. Moving your top forward (who just so happens to play center) to center is anything but asinine it’s smart asset management. Quit trolling.
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You’re out to lunch. And Pettersson is the teams best forward. Miller is far more effective in the wing and gives the team a safety net in case Bo or Petey get hurt. Yes Pearson is slowing down. He is pushing 30 and he wasn’t a great skater to begin with. I don’t mind him or Toffoli but I’m not sure I want either of them into their 30s. They’re poor skaters in their late 20s.
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Richardstroker69 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:55 pm
Pearson is slowing down??? How many points did he put up this year? If sutter or Louie are moved toffoli will be back. Finding a third line center through trade is a lot harder than finding a top 6 winger through trade(Not to mention we have one I ferland that may be good to go). Miller is an excellent center and can drive play on his line, so can petey, and bo, my as well use what we have. Moving your top forward (who just so happens to play center) to center is anything but asinine it’s smart asset management. Quit trolling.
I don't know, Miller just had both the best regular season and playoffs, by far, of his 7/8 year career playing on LW and showed tremendous chemistry with Pettersson. I'd prefer they build around that, not break it up.

Pearson's 28 and his future with the team beyond next season, if he's kept and re-signed, could be as a quality 3rd liner that can slide up and down your lineup due to injury and kill penalties. Like Rathbone, I could see Hoglander having a spot to lose next camp. Integrate the speed and high end skill on entry level deals while you still have some of the vets here to contribute and help them along.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:04 pm You’re out to lunch. And Pettersson is the teams best forward. Miller is far more effective in the wing and gives the team a safety net in case Bo or Petey get hurt. Yes Pearson is slowing down. He is pushing 30 and he wasn’t a great skater to begin with. I don’t mind him or Toffoli but I’m not sure I want either of them into their 30s. They’re poor skaters in their late 20s.
So you want to move on from Pearson next year? I’m talking about next year, he’s not slowing down for next year. I’m also talking about next year for rolling three good Centers/lines (similar to what vegas does). Miller is the second best forward and played a lot of center. Having those three play center would arguably give us the best center depth in the league.
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Curmudgeon wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:16 pm
Richardstroker69 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:55 pm
Pearson is slowing down??? How many points did he put up this year? If sutter or Louie are moved toffoli will be back. Finding a third line center through trade is a lot harder than finding a top 6 winger through trade(Not to mention we have one I ferland that may be good to go). Miller is an excellent center and can drive play on his line, so can petey, and bo, my as well use what we have. Moving your top forward (who just so happens to play center) to center is anything but asinine it’s smart asset management. Quit trolling.
I don't know, Miller just had both the best regular season and playoffs, by far, of his 7/8 year career playing on LW and showed tremendous chemistry with Pettersson. I'd prefer they build around that, not break it up.

Pearson's 28 and his future with the team beyond next season, if he's kept and re-signed, could be as a quality 3rd liner that can slide up and down your lineup due to injury and kill penalties. Like Rathbone, I could see Hoglander having a spot to lose next camp. Integrate the speed and high end skill on entry level deals while you still have some of the vets here to contribute and help them along.
This is why I’d like miller to play center, he can definitely help podkolzin and hoglander next year like he did with petey.
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Richardstroker69 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:18 pm
Curmudgeon wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:16 pm
Richardstroker69 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:55 pm
Pearson is slowing down??? How many points did he put up this year? If sutter or Louie are moved toffoli will be back. Finding a third line center through trade is a lot harder than finding a top 6 winger through trade(Not to mention we have one I ferland that may be good to go). Miller is an excellent center and can drive play on his line, so can petey, and bo, my as well use what we have. Moving your top forward (who just so happens to play center) to center is anything but asinine it’s smart asset management. Quit trolling.
I don't know, Miller just had both the best regular season and playoffs, by far, of his 7/8 year career playing on LW and showed tremendous chemistry with Pettersson. I'd prefer they build around that, not break it up.

Pearson's 28 and his future with the team beyond next season, if he's kept and re-signed, could be as a quality 3rd liner that can slide up and down your lineup due to injury and kill penalties. Like Rathbone, I could see Hoglander having a spot to lose next camp. Integrate the speed and high end skill on entry level deals while you still have some of the vets here to contribute and help them along.
This is why I’d like miller to play center, he can definitely help podkolzin and hoglander next year like he did with petey.
They complemented one another extremely well but given Miller's historical production, I'd say Pettersson helped him more. They're better off with Hoglander and Pearson switching out between the 2nd and 3rd lines and letting Horvat help him rather than diluting the 1st line unnecessarily. I don't think it's going to take as much to integrate Podkolzin, he's already gaining the trust of Russian coaches as being a well rounded player. He's ready to go now.
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Miller and Pettersson are almost Sedin like. They know where each other are, on a regular shift or Power play. I think Green recognizes
this and it's probably why he's hesitant to fuck with it. Never say never though. When they do start back, whenever that is, Miller could be
different. Waiting to find out how bad the injury he was nursing was / is. Pettersson was getting the groove back at center as it went along.
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If I'm not mistaken, Hoglander struggled this season and wasnt dominant or anything in the SHL. Doubtful he will walk into an NHL top 6 job just quite yet
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Dick if they had six legit top 9 wingers I might share your sentiment. They don’t. They have three and some questions marks. You’re putting the cart before the horse and completely ignoring the abortion of a back end.
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:45 pm Dick if they had six legit top 9 wingers I might share your sentiment. They don’t. They have three and some questions marks. You’re putting the cart before the horse and completely ignoring the abortion of a back end.
Toffoli, boeser, Jake, gaudette, Pearson, ferland(if healthy). I think boeser and toffoli can be first line talent. Pearson and jake second line talent, and ferland and gaudette as third line guys. Maybe toffoli is a stretch for first line talent but they’re not far off.
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Miller will be with Petterson next year, book it!
Their right winger is probably Boeser but could be Toffoli.
The Canucks are stronger down the middle than on the wing.
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Cherry Picker wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:01 pm Miller will be with Petterson next year, book it!
Their right winger is probably Boeser but could be Toffoli.
The Canucks are stronger down the middle than on the wing.
No reason to steal from Peter to pay Paul.
I disagree that we’re stronger down the middle unless we see a big change in gaudette’s game. Gaudette was exposed bad in the playoffs.
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