Offseason grades so far

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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:12 pm These meat puppets will plug their ears and ignore how good teams have been built for the last 1/2 century.
I see a good team being built here before our very eyes, too bad you and your meat puppet are missing it. :D
What you're missing is that it is possible to agree with you - a good team is being built here - AND still dislike a certain trade.

You can have both opinions you know.
I wasn't talking about a certain trade, I responding to the blob (in red) implying you can't build a good team if you give up a few picks.

I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

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I didn’t imply that. I just don’t like the hemorrhaging of picks. But please continue to make shit up. It’s what you do best.

Trade picks for good players that can help. Not losers like Sutter, Vey, Gudbranson, Pedan, Pouliott etc.
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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:47 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:41 pm
rikster wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 pm Do you even know what they gave away in those trades?

But walk us thru those 7 or 8 picks that they just gave away....

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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

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Good, thank you. And not drinking the kool-aid but thanks for the offer.
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Re: Offseason grades so far

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rikster wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:16 pm To apply a blanket statement to the Canucks situation and defend it by saying trading picks is a bad idea is complaining for the sake of complaining...

Sorry, its the way I see it ... if you want to go into detail as to why trading away a draft pick today which will be at worst 2 drafts away is a bad idea for the Vancouver Canucks I'm open to a change of opinion...
Hey, Rikster,

Good to see you back posting on a regular basis.

Rather than a complete blanket statement would you prefer to call it a rule of thumb, particularly for a GM who, I think most would agree, has shown his greatest skill to be at the drafting table?

I agree that trading and signing UFA's or players out of college are all possible ways to improve the team in addition to drafting.

But to date, on your assessment of JB's actions, would you say that JB has improved the team most by:

1) trading picks for players,
2) signing players in free agency,
3) signing players out of college, or
4) drafting players?

I am not going to take the time to list every move JB has made and compare them but I think it is pretty clear from any somewhat reasonable assessment that JB has made the greatest improvements to the team (to date) by drafting. And it isn't even close.

My opinion is that JB's drafting skills have shown a trend line of improvement (with a bit of a blip in 2016 but the story isn't yet written :lol:) and I don't see any reason why this won't continue or flatline. Based on that, I would submit that a late 1st round pick can be converted by JB into a player of Brock's talent or even better. And it wouldn't seem a stretch that an earlier first round pick could be converted by JB into a player of Pettersson's or Hughes' talent. Of course, there is always risk and nothing is a sure thing. There would have to be a player of that potential available to JB wherever he picks and development would have to go properly. But even with Miller, there is a chance this past season wasn't an anomaly, there is a chance he could get hurt, there is a chance he could not find chemistry on the team, etc.

I can understand how you would disagree, but, notwithstanding the above-noted risk, I would rather have another gamebreaker like Boeser (or Petterson or Hughes) in two to four years and another 3rd round pick than I would have Miller now. That isn't to say I don't like Miller. I do. But I am of the opinion that the opportunity cost (given JB's "genius" as drafting) is too great. That said, I can fully understand how the "now" nature of Miller would play into your assessment of the trade.

Now if JB is gone by the time we get to make the pick and (heaven forbid) we have a GM with Gillis skills at the drafting table, this trade will go down as being (at that point) an uncontested win. But I think we are all hoping that won't happen.

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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:48 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:12 pm These meat puppets will plug their ears and ignore how good teams have been built for the last 1/2 century.
I see a good team being built here before our very eyes, too bad you and your meat puppet are missing it. :D
What you're missing is that it is possible to agree with you - a good team is being built here - AND still dislike a certain trade.

You can have both opinions you know.
I wasn't talking about a certain trade, I responding to the blob (in red) implying you can't build a good team if you give up a few picks.

I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

*offers Nuckertuzzi a delicious glass of punch* :D
I didn’t imply that.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:48 pm Trade picks for good players that can help. Not losers like Sutter, Vey, Gudbranson, Pedan, Pouliott etc.
That's all you've got! :lol:

Lmao, any troll could dig up pick-for-player trades that could be painted as bad in retrospect

... made by any GM in the league.

And I keep telling you that a pick (Lockwood) was not given up in the Sutter trade...
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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Nuckertuzzi wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:52 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

*offers Nuckertuzzi a delicious glass of punch* :D
Good, thank you. And not drinking the kool-aid but thanks for the offer.
:lol: Well played, Sir.
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Re: Offseason grades so far

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DonCherry4PM wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:59 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:52 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

*offers Nuckertuzzi a delicious glass of punch* :D
Good, thank you. And not drinking the kool-aid but thanks for the offer.
:lol: Well played, Sir.
Actually... That was the joke.

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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:49 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:47 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:41 pm
rikster wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 pm Do you even know what they gave away in those trades?

But walk us thru those 7 or 8 picks that they just gave away....

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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:00 pm
DonCherry4PM wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:59 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:52 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

*offers Nuckertuzzi a delicious glass of punch* :D
Good, thank you. And not drinking the kool-aid but thanks for the offer.
:lol: Well played, Sir.
Actually... That was the joke.

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And his response played on that joke. Hence, my comment.

Do you need a pat on the back, Strange? Feeling in need of some affirmation? :lol:
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Doc you’re basically a joke at this point.

Unwilling to debate in good faith. I’d ignore your drivel if it was possible.
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Re: Offseason grades so far

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DonCherry4PM wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:06 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:00 pm
DonCherry4PM wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:59 pm
Nuckertuzzi wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:52 pm
Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm I really don't care what you think about the Miller trade, hate it if you like brother!

*offers Nuckertuzzi a delicious glass of punch* :D
Good, thank you. And not drinking the kool-aid but thanks for the offer.
:lol: Well played, Sir.
Actually... That was the joke.

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And his response played on that joke. Hence, my comment.

Do you need a pat on the back, Strange? Feeling in need of some affirmation? :lol:
Not at all, I'm just pointing out that it wasn't "well played" at all.

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Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:08 pm Not at all, I'm just pointing out that it wasn't "well played" at all.

WIN: Strangelove :mex:
I'm sorry to have to tell you this (I know it must be tough for you) but it was "well played" as his response was better than your initial joke.

Sorry, Buddy. Maybe next time? Don't fret though, I'm sure you've still got a lot of good material.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:08 pm Doc you’re basically a joke at this point.

Unwilling to debate in good faith. I’d ignore your drivel if it was possible.
He says this mere minutes after embarrassingly dodging Rikster! :lol:

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DonCherry4PM wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:12 pm I'm sorry to have to tell you this (I know it must be tough for you) but it was "well played" as his response was better than your initial joke.

Sorry, Buddy. Maybe next time? Don't fret though, I'm sure you've still got a lot of good material.
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Re: Offseason grades so far

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Strangelove wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:12 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:08 pm Doc you’re basically a joke at this point.

Unwilling to debate in good faith. I’d ignore your drivel if it was possible.
He says this mere minutes after embarrassingly dodging Rikster! :lol:


Yeah, ignoring those who curb stomp you would help your cause right...
Sure. Pretty much the only reason you begged to be a mod is we’d all be forced to read your shit.
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