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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by micky107 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:57 pm

Motte will be out a couple of weeks with an upper-body injury, said Coach Green.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:05 pm

ukcanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:50 am
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Eriksson is a better all around player than Baertschi. The problem being, the Gillis Bros allow for Eriksson’s contract to screw up with their assessment. Baertschi was a constant disappearing act and the frustration of many fans and media, but as usual, that is forgotten. It always ends up becoming about Eriksson and his contract with every whiner in this city. I got news for you - Baertschi isn’t that good. Not too mention that everybody knew there was going to be a sacrificial lamb which seems to be common place with every team in the NHL these days thanks to the cap and the fact that young players coming off their entry level contracts these days are hitting jack pot like we’ve never seen before
Moving on from Baertschi is good news.

It reflects depth.

It further moves us away from the limbo we were in during those first Benning years when he had no picks, no trades and cadavers holding down roster spots.

It gives our young up and comers a roster spot to compete for.

You hate to see a guy lose a seat in an NHL dressing room so there is sympathy for the guy.

And I agree, I don’t see how erriksson is relevant to this move.
Moving on from Eriksson would have been a better move.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by UWSaint » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:34 pm

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:17 pm
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:50 am
Moving on from Baertschi is good news.

It reflects depth.
....

Despite all the talk about how great our bottom six guys are defensively, those bottom six had the worst goal differential in the league playing 5 on 5 last year. And how much have those bottom six changed since last year? Well, there is Leivo....

So does it make more since to keep the same players and style in the bottom six and hope that things magically get better for them or does having more depth in the top six mean that those who were previously in the top six should push the bottom six down rather than being pushed out themselves?
+1.

This top 6 bottom 6 stuff is tiresome. The goal is to score more goals than the other team. That's it.

If your first, second, third, and fourth line were all centered by the hypothetical Pettersson quadruplets with hypothetical Boeser quadruplets and Horvat quadruplets on the wing, that is lineup that would score more goals than the opposition.

The reason it has been traditional to assign roles to the third and the fourth line is because there aren't enough damn good hockey players in the world to do it any other way, with or without a cap. So you take guys with a more limited skill set and you play them to their strengths, usually in a role to limit the effectiveness of the guys they line up against. (Unfortunately, the Canucks haven't done too well at that). It isn't a preferred mold to fit your team into, it is making the best of less.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Doyle Hargraves » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:42 pm

UWSaint wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:34 pm
DonCherry4PM wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:17 pm
ukcanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:50 am
Moving on from Baertschi is good news.

It reflects depth.
....

Despite all the talk about how great our bottom six guys are defensively, those bottom six had the worst goal differential in the league playing 5 on 5 last year. And how much have those bottom six changed since last year? Well, there is Leivo....

So does it make more since to keep the same players and style in the bottom six and hope that things magically get better for them or does having more depth in the top six mean that those who were previously in the top six should push the bottom six down rather than being pushed out themselves?
+1.

This top 6 bottom 6 stuff is tiresome. The goal is to score more goals than the other team. That's it.

If your first, second, third, and fourth line were all centered by the hypothetical Pettersson quadruplets with hypothetical Boeser quadruplets and Horvat quadruplets on the wing, that is lineup that would score more goals than the opposition.

The reason it has been traditional to assign roles to the third and the fourth line is because there aren't enough damn good hockey players in the world to do it any other way, with or without a cap. So you take guys with a more limited skill set and you play them to their strengths, usually in a role to limit the effectiveness of the guys they line up against. (Unfortunately, the Canucks haven't done too well at that). It isn't a preferred mold to fit your team into, it is making the best of less.
+2 - hopefully this isn’t a permanent move to bury Sven in Utica. If this team is magically healthy when Roussel comes back and Baertschi gets his shit together: I’d like to see:

Ferland Petey Brock
Baertschi Bo Miller
Roussel Gaudette Virtanen
Pearson Beagle Sutter


Switch up Baertschi and Pearson as needed.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by SKYO » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:13 pm

ukcanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:50 am
Chef Boi RD wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:18 am
Eriksson is a better all around player than Baertschi.
Moving on from Baertschi is good news.It reflects depth.

It gives our young up and comers a roster spot to compete for.

You hate to see a guy lose a seat in an NHL dressing room so there is sympathy for the guy.

And I agree, I don’t see how erriksson is relevant to this move.
+5,000

It reflects Benning has the balls to make the hard decisions a General Manager has to make.

And shockingly the gamble paid off as Baertschi is still with the team, albeit with Utica, so it's likely he'll be back in the near future when injuries occur, hell Motte is already hurt for two weeks.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by The Brown Wizard » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:15 pm

Do players still need to go through recall waivers where a team can grab him at half price?
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Post by micky107 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:16 pm

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Audio version of Travis Green presser today; starts at 39:15 / 650 am radio.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/canucks-ce ... -bad-news/
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Strangelove » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:21 pm

The Brown Wizard wrote:
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Do players still need to go through recall waivers where a team can grab him at half price?
Nope.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Strangelove » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:22 pm

micky107 wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:56 pm
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:39 pm
Yeahno, to coin a phrase, "Fuck Baertschi". :drink:
This is disgusting. New lows. Very disappointing.
Come on, we know you want to. :wink:

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Taking his "one hit away" status out of the equation...
Do you have a link stating that Baertschi was one hit away from a career ending situation?
Because if a sports write out there somewhere says it, Mick will believe it! :lol:

Yes Meds, who do you think you are to suggest a guy who has had 5 or 6 concussions and 2 in the last calendar year

... is one hit away from yet another! :evil: :twisted: :evil:

And don't give us that "missed 85 games in the last 2 seasons" baloney...
No. I report what I see and hear. My beliefs are my own and based on what I see on the ice, my experience and largely the fact that
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Strangelove » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:22 pm

micky107 wrote:
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I haven’t heard it reported much but last year he basically quit on the team. His symptoms were done and he was cleared to play but “he didn’t feel right” was the excuse (which I don’t blame him with his concussion issues that could be a scary thing). If he’s had a true change of heart and wants to be part of this team he can prove it in Utica and he’ll be the first call up. As of right now I don’t blame management and coaching for waiving him.
This is a more reasonable statement. He did look better in camp, (regardless what was said to the contrary today, ahem!).
If he isn't claimed, he will get called up as soon as the team can afford it. Afford it. the real reason.
You realize it's the same hit on the cap whether it's Baer/Loui/Schaller/Leivo that gets sent down right?
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Strangelove » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:22 pm

micky107 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:13 am
Points per minute
1. Pettersson - 0.051
2. Boeser - 0.042
3. Baertschi - 0.036
4. Horvat - 0.036

Shooting %
1. Baertschi - 20.9
2. Pettersson - 19.4...........................................silly statistical hyperbole.
3. Boeser - 12.4
4. Horvat - 11.9

PP GF/60
1. Pettersson - 7.3
2. Baertschi - 7.0
3. Horvat - 7.0
4. Boeser - 6.6

I know, doesn't mean much. :)
These stats are useless on small sample sizes... and this is just 26 games from Baertschi last season.

The word "unsustainable" springs to mind and is borne out when looking at the entire history of Baer's numbers.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by Strangelove » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:23 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote:
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I have never seen so many people absolutely lose their shit over waiving a 3rd line, often injured tweener.
Who’s losing their shit here?
I think Micky had to wipe his back. :mrgreen:
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by SKYO » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:27 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:21 pm
The Brown Wizard wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:15 pm
Do players still need to go through recall waivers where a team can grab him at half price?
Nope.
Correct once they clear waivers, the team will have the ability to send them up and down waivers freely!
but after 10 NHL games played or 30 days on the NHL roster they'll need to clear again if they're sent down.
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by micky107 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:31 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:23 pm
Doyle Hargraves wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:45 am
Madcombinepilot wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:35 am
I have never seen so many people absolutely lose their shit over waiving a 3rd line, often injured tweener.
Who’s losing their shit here?
I think Micky had to wipe his back. :mrgreen:
Why don't you make a concerted effort to stay the fuck off it for a spell.
No right to opine. sucks
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Re: Canucks News n Notes 2019-2020

Post by ESQ » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:34 pm

DonCherry4PM wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:17 pm
ukcanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:50 am
Moving on from Baertschi is good news.

It reflects depth.
Is it?

Does it?

Would it not be better to have him on the third line rather than those who currently are filling that position?

Despite all the talk about how great our bottom six guys are defensively, those bottom six had the worst goal differential in the league playing 5 on 5 last year. And how much have those bottom six changed since last year? Well, there is Leivo....

So does it make more since to keep the same players and style in the bottom six and hope that things magically get better for them or does having more depth in the top six mean that those who were previously in the top six should push the bottom six down rather than being pushed out themselves?
Interesting about the goal differential. However, several of the "bottom-6" saw top-6 time last year - Leivo, Eriksson, Virtanen, Roussel. As currently constituted, the top-6 is much more stacked with a legitimate 2nd scoring line. What that *should do is bring tougher match-ups for the 2nd line, rather than matching a 3rd/4th line against opposing team's top-line. Instead, opposing teams have to contend with our two scoring lines.

That means the "bottom 6" should face lower quality of competition. Alternatively, the additions Miller and Ferland could be moved to the bottom-6 and increase the offence.

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