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What I love about the draft there is a lot of mock drafts pegging players at the same spot all year, but then at the draft that order gets thrown out the window, someone expected to go 15th/18th overall is taken in the top 6.
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RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:50 am
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Byram
4. Cozens
5. Podkozlin
6. Zegras
7. Krebs
8. Boldy
9. Turcotte
10. Dach

Canucks territory

Broberg - LD - No
Newhook - C - No
Soderstrom - RD - Yes
York - LD - No
Caufield - RW - Yes
Brink - C - No
Knight - G - Yes
Seider - RD - Yes
Tomasino - C - No
Heinola - LD - No
Pelletier - C - No
Suzuki - C - No

Canucks should target Soderstrom IMO
I don’t have the top 10 in the same order you do, and I think that some team grabs Broberg in the top 10 but let’s say it’s close.

Of the next 5 or so guys I would choose one of (not in order):

1) Newhook- hard to judge given level of competition, but lightning fast guy who may not have quite the hockey sense others do
2) Soderstrom - very steady RHD
3) Brink - again lightning fast, good hockey sense but on the small side
4) York - top D from the USNTDP

I suspect one of the top 10 guys outlined will fall and somebody random will go top 10-15, as it seems to be happening in recent drafts (Hayton, Dubois, Senyshyn, DeBrusk, etc) so a good player will be around wherever the Nucks pick.

I figure we can revisit this debate in 15 days or so given the Nucks have 8 games in 13 days starting tomorrow, with no more than 1 day off and a couple of back to backs that I figure will drop them down in the standings a few spots. Would be nice if I was wrong.

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Diehard1 wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:16 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:50 am
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Byram
4. Cozens
5. Podkozlin
6. Zegras
7. Krebs
8. Boldy
9. Turcotte
10. Dach

Canucks territory

Broberg - LD - No
Newhook - C - No
Soderstrom - RD - Yes
York - LD - No
Caufield - RW - Yes
Brink - C - No
Knight - G - Yes
Seider - RD - Yes
Tomasino - C - No
Heinola - LD - No
Pelletier - C - No
Suzuki - C - No

Canucks should target Soderstrom IMO
I don’t have the top 10 in the same order you do, and I think that some team grabs Broberg in the top 10 but let’s say it’s close.

Of the next 5 or so guys I would choose one of (not in order):

1) Newhook- hard to judge given level of competition, but lightning fast guy who may not have quite the hockey sense others do
2) Soderstrom - very steady RHD
3) Brink - again lightning fast, good hockey sense but on the small side
4) York - top D from the USNTDP

I suspect one of the top 10 guys outlined will fall and somebody random will go top 10-15, as it seems to be happening in recent drafts (Hayton, Dubois, Senyshyn, DeBrusk, etc) so a good player will be around wherever the Nucks pick.

I figure we can revisit this debate in 15 days or so given the Nucks have 8 games in 13 days starting tomorrow, with no more than 1 day off and a couple of back to backs that I figure will drop them down in the standings a few spots. Would be nice if I was wrong.
Broberg is a mystery, big smooth skating player but zero offence, sounds like a Tanev which isn’t a bad thing
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Yeah dmen are so hard to gauge, take for instance Dennis Cholowski, BCHL dman, difficult because of level of competition, but Detroit took him at #20 even though he as ranked high 20's to early 30's, he spent a year in a nchc/ncaa league, a year in WHL and now is 3rd in NHL dmen rookie scoring with 7 goals, 9 assists, behind Heiskanen and Rasmus Dahlin.

Which is why one should never underestimate high skill in the BCHL ala 5'11-185lbs C Alexander Newhook if the Canucks get a mid round selection.
Newhook:
Savvy scorer with exceptional foot speed, and is constantly driving up ice and has a good shot, great passing abilities and a high hockey IQ.

Smart quick undersized wing who is very strong, deceptive, has tremendously fast stick handling ability and a tenacious 200 foot stick-to-it-ness that makes him a constant threat to score.

He has both a power and speed game that brings fans of of the their seats. A tenacious forechecker who extends zone time for his team by not letting the defending team room to get out.

Bursts in and by defenders and makes moves at top speed and isn’t deterred in small areas avoiding poke checks and blowing by defenders and then even placing himself on a route towards the next one, only to reach around coverage and continue the attack.

He isn’t a shrinking violet in the other two zones either, where he providers backside pressure and uses his speed to get back pucks.Really strong and can use his strength to take charge too. Committed to Boston College.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/al ... ook/29318/
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Thanks, SKYO, good read.
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SKYO wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:05 am
Yeah dmen are so hard to gauge, take for instance Dennis Cholowski, BCHL dman, difficult because of level of competition, but Detroit took him at #20 even though he as ranked high 20's to early 30's, he spent a year in a nchc/ncaa league, a year in WHL and now is 3rd in NHL dmen rookie scoring with 7 goals, 9 assists, behind Heiskanen and Rasmus Dahlin.

Which is why one should never underestimate high skill in the BCHL ala 5'11-185lbs C Alexander Newhook if the Canucks get a mid round selection.
Newhook:
Savvy scorer with exceptional foot speed, and is constantly driving up ice and has a good shot, great passing abilities and a high hockey IQ.

Smart quick undersized wing who is very strong, deceptive, has tremendously fast stick handling ability and a tenacious 200 foot stick-to-it-ness that makes him a constant threat to score.

He has both a power and speed game that brings fans of of the their seats. A tenacious forechecker who extends zone time for his team by not letting the defending team room to get out.

Bursts in and by defenders and makes moves at top speed and isn’t deterred in small areas avoiding poke checks and blowing by defenders and then even placing himself on a route towards the next one, only to reach around coverage and continue the attack.

He isn’t a shrinking violet in the other two zones either, where he providers backside pressure and uses his speed to get back pucks.Really strong and can use his strength to take charge too. Committed to Boston College.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/al ... ook/29318/
I like Newhook’s game, weird they are calling him undersized though as he’s listed at 190 pounds and looks every bit that weight. I guess because he’s ‘only’ 5’11”?

I think there are some layers ahead of him but if we are picking 12-15 he’s a nice choice.

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RoyalDude wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:51 pm
Diehard1 wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:16 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:50 am
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Byram
4. Cozens
5. Podkozlin
6. Zegras
7. Krebs
8. Boldy
9. Turcotte
10. Dach

Canucks territory

Broberg - LD - No
Newhook - C - No
Soderstrom - RD - Yes
York - LD - No
Caufield - RW - Yes
Brink - C - No
Knight - G - Yes
Seider - RD - Yes
Tomasino - C - No
Heinola - LD - No
Pelletier - C - No
Suzuki - C - No

Canucks should target Soderstrom IMO
I don’t have the top 10 in the same order you do, and I think that some team grabs Broberg in the top 10 but let’s say it’s close.

Of the next 5 or so guys I would choose one of (not in order):

1) Newhook- hard to judge given level of competition, but lightning fast guy who may not have quite the hockey sense others do
2) Soderstrom - very steady RHD
3) Brink - again lightning fast, good hockey sense but on the small side
4) York - top D from the USNTDP

I suspect one of the top 10 guys outlined will fall and somebody random will go top 10-15, as it seems to be happening in recent drafts (Hayton, Dubois, Senyshyn, DeBrusk, etc) so a good player will be around wherever the Nucks pick.

I figure we can revisit this debate in 15 days or so given the Nucks have 8 games in 13 days starting tomorrow, with no more than 1 day off and a couple of back to backs that I figure will drop them down in the standings a few spots. Would be nice if I was wrong.
Broberg is a mystery, big smooth skating player but zero offence, sounds like a Tanev which isn’t a bad thing
I’m not a huge Broberg fan, though he’s still quite young of course. His skill level isn’t that high but his physical gifts are - big, very good skater, not much of a stick handler and I’m not sure his head is all that good. Hard to teach hockey sense, though I admit I haven’t seen him as much as other players in the draft. I guess he could improve but there are others I’d take ahead of him both at forward and on D.

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Yeah Brobergs rankings are swinging wildly between all the lists out there. Still intrigued by the player, could be an Edler type
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Diehard1 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:28 pm
SKYO wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:05 am
Yeah dmen are so hard to gauge, take for instance Dennis Cholowski, BCHL dman, difficult because of level of competition, but Detroit took him at #20 even though he as ranked high 20's to early 30's, he spent a year in a nchc/ncaa league, a year in WHL and now is 3rd in NHL dmen rookie scoring with 7 goals, 9 assists, behind Heiskanen and Rasmus Dahlin.

Which is why one should never underestimate high skill in the BCHL ala 5'11-185lbs C Alexander Newhook if the Canucks get a mid round selection.
Newhook:
Savvy scorer with exceptional foot speed, and is constantly driving up ice and has a good shot, great passing abilities and a high hockey IQ.

Smart quick undersized wing who is very strong, deceptive, has tremendously fast stick handling ability and a tenacious 200 foot stick-to-it-ness that makes him a constant threat to score.

He has both a power and speed game that brings fans of of the their seats. A tenacious forechecker who extends zone time for his team by not letting the defending team room to get out.

Bursts in and by defenders and makes moves at top speed and isn’t deterred in small areas avoiding poke checks and blowing by defenders and then even placing himself on a route towards the next one, only to reach around coverage and continue the attack.

He isn’t a shrinking violet in the other two zones either, where he providers backside pressure and uses his speed to get back pucks.Really strong and can use his strength to take charge too. Committed to Boston College.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/al ... ook/29318/
I like Newhook’s game, weird they are calling him undersized though as he’s listed at 190 pounds and looks every bit that weight. I guess because he’s ‘only’ 5’11”?

I think there are some layers ahead of him but if we are picking 12-15 he’s a nice choice.
If Newhook could be transitioned to the wing I’d be interested, didn’t like what I heard about his failed WJC tryout, wasn’t making smart decisions, didn’t stand out when he had the puck, wasn’t pressing the play with the puck, was more comfortable on the perimeter. Those negatives as described him are the positives of Krebs game. I’m all in on Krebs, smart, tenacious, etc. But I think Krebs will be drafted between 5 and 10? He will be gone by the time we are picking but Newhook should still be around.

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When Krebs was in Bantam we called him Crazy legs! He can skate and dangle at top speed, he sees the ice so well he can really make everyone around him better. He is still putting up decent numbers on a bad Kootney team and I believe he is the Captain at 17 which is unheard of.

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Diehard1 wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:16 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:50 am
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Byram
4. Cozens
5. Podkozlin
6. Zegras
7. Krebs
8. Boldy
9. Turcotte
10. Dach

Canucks territory

Broberg - LD - No
Newhook - C - No
Soderstrom - RD - Yes
York - LD - No
Caufield - RW - Yes
Brink - C - No
Knight - G - Yes
Seider - RD - Yes
Tomasino - C - No
Heinola - LD - No
Pelletier - C - No
Suzuki - C - No

Canucks should target Soderstrom IMO
I don’t have the top 10 in the same order you do, and I think that some team grabs Broberg in the top 10 but let’s say it’s close.

Of the next 5 or so guys I would choose one of (not in order):

1) Newhook- hard to judge given level of competition, but lightning fast guy who may not have quite the hockey sense others do
2) Soderstrom - very steady RHD
3) Brink - again lightning fast, good hockey sense but on the small side
4) York - top D from the USNTDP

I suspect one of the top 10 guys outlined will fall and somebody random will go top 10-15, as it seems to be happening in recent drafts (Hayton, Dubois, Senyshyn, DeBrusk, etc) so a good player will be around wherever the Nucks pick.

I figure we can revisit this debate in 15 days or so given the Nucks have 8 games in 13 days starting tomorrow, with no more than 1 day off and a couple of back to backs that I figure will drop them down in the standings a few spots. Would be nice if I was wrong.
Would be happy if the current injuries to Edler, Bart, Demko increase the odds of us creeping into the top 10 again. We have some good prospects but are really thin still. I always cheer for the win but I think I will be happier to see the Canucks drafting top 10 when it rolls around. The lack of depth has really taxed our d core at times this year and Horvat I think is so gassed after he was pushed way past what you can ask for as one of our top centres.

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Soooo....
Was just thinking about the Canucks needs at LW and RD and if the Canucks can expect any help with their first round pick in the coming draft.

And I’ve concluded this draft sucks for filling the Canucks biggest needs.

Here is the latest ranking from SN:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors ... -february/

There are no right side defensemen ranked in the top 16, all the D shoot left.
There is only one left winger ranked in the top 16:
8. Matthew Boldy, LW, USNTDP, 6-foot-1, 187 pounds: Super skilled, not quite at his best at the U18 Five Nations, but he’s built a solid resume all season long based on an amazing set of mitts.

And odds are only 1 in 16 the Canucks will get him.

Obviously there are great prospects in the draft, but they likely won’t fill the Canucks greatest needs, so that leaves the Canucks with trades and FA signings to fill those needs, which is not where the Canucks have gotten their best players.
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If Soderstroms in our draft zone (as da dude has pointed out) he & woo will go a long ways in filling RHD needs.
Gadjovich & Dahlen should challenge for a LW position next season,but some more depth at that position is definitely needed.

BPA or positional needs?
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