Canuck News and Notes - 2018-2019
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To me its nothing but positives that the Gagner call was "the toughest one" Benning's had to make.
1. Shows that Benning has the stones to make hockey decisions that will piss off the owner.
2. Shows that Francesco is willing to being persuaded by his GM.
3. Shows a high degree of openness with the media/fandom that they're willing to discuss it at all. Which is a great way to kill rumours of Aquilini's meddling, which are so deeply ingrained as facts that according to people like Friedman, its influencing how other teams approach the Canucks on deals.
1. Shows that Benning has the stones to make hockey decisions that will piss off the owner.
2. Shows that Francesco is willing to being persuaded by his GM.
3. Shows a high degree of openness with the media/fandom that they're willing to discuss it at all. Which is a great way to kill rumours of Aquilini's meddling, which are so deeply ingrained as facts that according to people like Friedman, its influencing how other teams approach the Canucks on deals.
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Good post.ESQ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:43 am To me its nothing but positives that the Gagner call was "the toughest one" Benning's had to make.
1. Shows that Benning has the stones to make hockey decisions that will piss off the owner.
2. Shows that Francesco is willing to being persuaded by his GM.
3. Shows a high degree of openness with the media/fandom that they're willing to discuss it at all. Which is a great way to kill rumours of Aquilini's meddling, which are so deeply ingrained as facts that according to people like Friedman, its influencing how other teams approach the Canucks on deals.
Plus it also supports the theory than Benning is an improving/learning as he goes GM....and the one for which i subscribe to.
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I just read an article on guys who are not in the NHL today, but still being paid. It was a top 25, and had another few guys who didn't make the list. It just goes to show you every team tends to have a few of these guys. Benning is no better, and no worse than other GMs with respect to this issue. (unless Ericksson, Roussel and Beagle all get bought out in the next couple of years....)
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:12 am I don’t begrudge the water boy from being pissed about having to spend 3+ million like this. He should be upset. Having to buy guys out, eat salary in trades, bury guys in the minors, or whatever is costly. And yes he’s had his share of having to pay 2 coaches, or GMs and a host of other employees let go before their contracts were up. But they are different things.
How many player buyouts, eating salaries in trades or burying players in the minors were players Benning signed? I can think of two, Prust and now Gagner. All the others were not his signings. So he should be judged on those two. But going down the same path this year in signing 3-4 FA, especially to deals longer than 3 years, could come back to bite him. He will only get so many passes.
What concerns me about him saying it was the hardest conversation he’s had to have with the water boy is this. If he has to do it again, will he. Or will he send a kid to Utica.
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It hasn’t only been Friedman saying the Canucks owners are meddlesome. Pittsburgh’s gm at the the 2014 trade deadline said it and so did Bob Murray the Ducks GM. There is also the old story about Aquilini putting gun to Dave Nonis’s head at the 08 deadline.ESQ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:43 am To me its nothing but positives that the Gagner call was "the toughest one" Benning's had to make.
1. Shows that Benning has the stones to make hockey decisions that will piss off the owner.
2. Shows that Francesco is willing to being persuaded by his GM.
3. Shows a high degree of openness with the media/fandom that they're willing to discuss it at all. Which is a great way to kill rumours of Aquilini's meddling, which are so deeply ingrained as facts that according to people like Friedman, its influencing how other teams approach the Canucks on deals.
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Yeah that's all true, its certainly a well-established storyline that the Aquilinis are meddling owners.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:38 pmIt hasn’t only been Friedman saying the Canucks owners are meddlesome. Pittsburgh’s gm at the the 2014 trade deadline said it and so did Bob Murray the Ducks GM. There is also the old story about Aquilini putting gun to Dave Nonis’s head at the 08 deadline.ESQ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:43 am To me its nothing but positives that the Gagner call was "the toughest one" Benning's had to make.
1. Shows that Benning has the stones to make hockey decisions that will piss off the owner.
2. Shows that Francesco is willing to being persuaded by his GM.
3. Shows a high degree of openness with the media/fandom that they're willing to discuss it at all. Which is a great way to kill rumours of Aquilini's meddling, which are so deeply ingrained as facts that according to people like Friedman, its influencing how other teams approach the Canucks on deals.
Where there’s smoke,there’s fire
But for all the people that have been fired by Aquilini, nobody has come out and said with direct evidence that Aquilini was meddling. And the Gagner story discredits that storyline - it suggests that the chain-of-command has Benning calling Aquilini after the decision has been made, and being given the opportunity to explain the decision to Aquilini.
But given the number of stories out there, I could easily believe that this story is a shift from Aquilini's usual behaviour.
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I would think that anyone Aquilini fires likely signed some sort of non disclosure agreement. I can’t see the owner letting guys take runs at him after he canned them
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BAH most team's fans complain about meddling owners...
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Haven’t heard of many fans barking this much other than about guys like Ballard and Melnyk.
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I research team boards at HF and I stumble upon it all the time, trust me Blobert.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:58 pmHaven’t heard of many fans barking this much other than about guys like Ballard and Melnyk.
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And yet it isn’t widely reported throughout the league like it is here or in OttawaStrangelove wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:02 pmI research team boards at HF and I stumble upon it all the time, trust me Blobert.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:58 pmHaven’t heard of many fans barking this much other than about guys like Ballard and Melnyk.
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Canadian media, Vancouver and Ottawa are in Canada.
There have been plenty of murmuring of meddling owners in Edmonton and Toronto over the years as well.
But I'm telling you, fans everywhere inevitably complain or suspect the owners a meddling too much.
There have been plenty of murmuring of meddling owners in Edmonton and Toronto over the years as well.
But I'm telling you, fans everywhere inevitably complain or suspect the owners a meddling too much.
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CalgaryStrangelove wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:16 pm Canadian media, Vancouver and Ottawa are in Canada.
There have been plenty of murmuring of meddling owners in Edmonton and Toronto over the years as well.
But I'm telling you, fans everywhere inevitably complain or suspect the owners a meddling too much.
And how about having an internal cap that's just as bad as meddling really!
The only reason we don't hear about some franchises owners getting involved is because they don't have the passionate fan base to care.
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He was out of shape to start last season?Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:28 pm But it is the perception of a habit, showing up to camp ill prepared two seasons in a row, that has me sounding off.
That’s news to me. I recall Green saying he was tired but that’s about it. He seemed to hit the ground running once they put him in the lineup after inexplicably not starting him for the first two games. It’s not like him sitting out those two game magically got him into shape.
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As soon as he didn't fill the net in the first two games, he was doomed to fall into the abyss of the "sky is falling", now so prevalent in ourBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:05 amHe was out of shape to start last season?Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:28 pm But it is the perception of a habit, showing up to camp ill prepared two seasons in a row, that has me sounding off.
That’s news to me. I recall Green saying he was tired but that’s about it. He seemed to hit the ground running once they put him in the lineup after inexplicably not starting him for the first two games. It’s not like him sitting out those two game magically got him into shape.
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