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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by ESQ » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:31 pm

That post was from last April, when Gio was coming off back to back sub-40 point seasons.

I don't know what's up with having a career year at age 35 like Gio, but I could take a guess...

I'd actually call him the flames MVP, I really don't know where you guys would be without him playing 25 min/game.

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Post by BCExpat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm

ESQ wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:31 pm
That post was from last April, when Gio was coming off back to back sub-40 point seasons.

I don't know what's up with having a career year at age 35 like Gio, but I could take a guess...

I'd actually call him the flames MVP, I really don't know where you guys would be without him playing 25 min/game.
I actually didn't look at when it was posted. I'm used to Calpuck where there are a lot more posts :mex:

Anyway, you are right, this team really needs Gio. Hopefully in the next few years, a guy like Valimaki could step up and fill his role.
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:14 pm

Expat it’s a thread for Dude to throw his dirty diapers around when he’s having his tantrums or he needs to be burped.

Anyways back to ESQs point. I think Giordano and having that quality of a number 1 guy is the difference between Vancouver and Calgary. Giordano is a legit top 8-10 guy in the league. Their next three guys Brodie, Hanifin and Hamonic match up with Edler, Tanev and Hutton. If Vancouver had a Josi or a Subban type they would close the gap big time.

I guess Dalgary would still have an edge in top end forwards - Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm vs Horvat, Petey, Brock...,, so there’s that
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by Strangelove » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:53 pm

ESQ wrote:
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I don't know what's up with having a career year at age 35 like Gio, but I could take a guess...
Performance enhancing drugs? :look:
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by ESQ » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:01 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
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I think Giordano and having that quality of a number 1 guy is the difference between Vancouver and Calgary. Giordano is a legit top 8-10 guy in the league. Their next three guys Brodie, Hanifin and Hamonic match up with Edler, Tanev and Hutton. If Vancouver had a Josi or a Subban type they would close the gap big time.
Interesting way to look at it, I think I agree. Though since I'm a bit more of a fan of Gudbranson than you, I'd say Calgary's d core would be equivalent to the Canucks if Edler all of a sudden had a 70-point season.

Then my theoretical Super-Edler is roughly equivalent to Gio, and Brodie/Hanifin/Hamonic are roughly equivalent to Edler/Hutton/Gudbranson.

Although now that I look at it, Edler is currently producing at a 53-point pace, which would be a career year...

Well, if we re-sign Edler we better get him to see Giordano's "nutritionist".

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Post by BCExpat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:20 pm

ESQ wrote:
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:14 pm
I think Giordano and having that quality of a number 1 guy is the difference between Vancouver and Calgary. Giordano is a legit top 8-10 guy in the league. Their next three guys Brodie, Hanifin and Hamonic match up with Edler, Tanev and Hutton. If Vancouver had a Josi or a Subban type they would close the gap big time.
Interesting way to look at it, I think I agree. Though since I'm a bit more of a fan of Gudbranson than you, I'd say Calgary's d core would be equivalent to the Canucks if Edler all of a sudden had a 70-point season.

Then my theoretical Super-Edler is roughly equivalent to Gio, and Brodie/Hanifin/Hamonic are roughly equivalent to Edler/Hutton/Gudbranson.

Although now that I look at it, Edler is currently producing at a 53-point pace, which would be a career year...

Well, if we re-sign Edler we better get him to see Giordano's "nutritionist".
The thing is, besides Brodie Hanifin and Hamonic, the Flames also have Anderssen, Valimaki and Kilington coming up. Valimaki is going to be a great D man - hopefully he can eventually replace Gio. Anderssen and Kilington would be in Stockton, if Stone and Valimaki weren't injured. They are playing very well. Anyway, the D corps for the Flames is good for quite a while yet,

Also, the Canucks have the edge in Goal right now. The jury is still out on Rittich, he could be a legit No. 1 - but who knows, he could regress. Mike Smith isn't even good as a backup anymore.

For the forward group - I really like the Canucks core with Brock, Petey, Horvat. I think they will eventually be close to the same production level as Gaudreau, Monahan and Lindholm. Where the Flames have an edge, is in the depth forwards (at least at the moment anyway). Also, maybe Neal will finally get on track.
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by ESQ » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:30 pm

BCExpat wrote:
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The thing is, besides Brodie Hanifin and Hamonic, the Flames also have Anderssen, Valimaki and Kilington coming up. Valimaki is going to be a great D man - hopefully he can eventually replace Gio. Anderssen and Kilington would be in Stockton, if Stone and Valimaki weren't injured. They are playing very well. Anyway, the D corps for the Flames is good for quite a while yet,
Just from looking at TOI, I'd say the Flames are very top-heavy, with Gio at close to 25 min and the 5/6 guys down at 15 min/game. The Canucks are bit more balanced, with the 5/6 guys averaging 17 or 18 min/game. I would argue the Canucks 5/6 guys are better than the Flames, though maybe that doesn't filter down to the 7/8 guys.

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Post by RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:30 pm

So Roberto Macchenzi, your thoughts on Gillis first year on the job (2008) draft picks, trades and signings?

What baffles me greatly is why, WHY!?!? Did ole Mikey, with 30’ish year old defenceman - Ohlund, Salo and Mitchell and just a young Bieksa and a Edler, why did Ole Mikey use the 10th overall pick in 2008 on a centre named Cotton Hill Hodgson with a 23 year old Kesler and a 27 year old Hank holdkng down the top 2 centre positions, with, WITH both Myers and Karlsson still on board? This just after losing top D prospect - Bourdon a month prior to the draft?

I thought Mike was a brilliant thinker? He sure went to bat an analytics regarding - Hodgson. So surely he had it all dialed in????
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Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:43 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:30 pm
So Roberto Macchenzi, your thoughts on Gillis first year on the job (2008) draft picks, trades and signings?

What baffles me greatly is why, WHY!?!? Did ole Mikey, with 30’ish year old defenceman - Ohlund, Salo and Mitchell and just a young Bieksa and a Edler, why did Ole Mikey use the 10th overall pick in 2008 on a centre named Cotton Hill Hodgson with a 23 year old Kesler and a 27 year old Hank holdkng down the top 2 centre positions, with, WITH both Myers and Karlsson still on board? This just after losing top D prospect - Bourdon a month prior to the draft?

I thought Mike was a brilliant thinker? He sure went to bat an analytics regarding - Hodgson. So surely he had it all dialed in????
Other than not being a good drafter he was fine at most other things. We already established that he was a shitty drafter. The UFA were mostly fine other than Ryan Johnson. Sundin and Demitra are better than any UFA Elmer has ever signed.

Karlsson was rated in the 20s in 2008.
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Post by RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:00 pm

Half a season for old man, no knees Sundin. $8.6 million he collected that half season for phoning it in. Demitra gawd bless was meh at best,whatever. The trades were as putrid as the drafting that year. My gawd what a flying start to a shitty era in Canuck management

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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:04 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:00 pm
Half a season for old man, no knees Sundin. $8.6 million he collected that half season for phoning it in. Demitra gawd bless was meh at best,whatever. The trades were as putrid as the drafting that year. My gawd what a flying start to a shitty era in Canuck management

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None of those trades were that bad. Bernier was no worse than Baertschi for instance. Lawrence Nycholat a big loss was he?

Sundin’s salary of 8.6 million was prorated for the games he played. He and Demitra are better than any UFA Elmer has signed here.
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Post by RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:11 pm

You keep telling yourself that Blob. All of them a big waste of time and money, draft picks, trades and signings. My lord - defending the 2nd and 3rd for stone hands Bernier!! Shoujo we investigate further his Gills managed that asset? $8.6 million for Sundin, well worth it! Nit!

Nothing he did in his first year was good, just fucking awful. It got progressively worst from there
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:17 pm

Sundin didn’t make 8.6 million. Please stop saying that or at least qualify it by saying “ I have an agenda here folks”

Baertschi and Pedan (2nd + a 3rd) are miles better than Bernier ? Pedan wasn’t good enough to play and Baertschi when he does feel like playing is soft as hell and produces the same as Bernier.
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:28 pm

Only Blob justifying the 2nd and 3rd round pick for Legendary Stone Hands Bernier. 2 seasons of stone hands then packaged along with 2 first round picks for Buyout
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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:42 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
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Only Blob justifying the 2nd and 3rd round pick for Legendary Stone Hands Bernier. 2 seasons of stone hands then packaged along with 2 first round picks for Buyout
You justify a 2nd and 3rd for Baertschi and Pedan. You love those deals. Bernier was more useful than both.
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