The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:43 pm

Yep at this point Bo and Brock are the only ones on the roster that are core players. Sutter and Eriksson make core player money but they are just overpaid crooks, not core players.

Hopefully Olaf, Demko, Petterson and a couple others join the core in years to come
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Island Nucklehead » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:27 pm

Benning viewed both Sutter and Eriksson as core players when he brought them in. If Gudbranson wasn't going to be a core player, it's an absolutely insane trade to make.

I agree though, the real core will need to be built through the draft. This is a big reason the fast-track (retool/transition while remaining competitive) approach did not work, and a major source of frustration for those watching him use serious assets and cap space for these marginal placeholder players.

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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:57 pm

The two previous posts^^^ are garbage. Don't read.
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by rats19 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:59 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
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The two previous posts^^^ are garbage. Don't read.
Too late...
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:07 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:57 pm
The two previous posts^^^ are garbage. Don't read.
This, however is a gem.
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Hockey Widow » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:35 pm

So we’ve locked up 27th, correct?
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Island Nucklehead » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:42 pm

Pretty sure we'd move past Detroit with a point (we have more ROW).

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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:48 pm

We get 5th best odds farthest we fall is 8th, must lose tonight. We stay in that Boqvist, Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard tier we be alright
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:50 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
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So we’ve locked up 27th, correct?
We got 6th worst or 5th worst locked up. 27th or 28th
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by SKYO » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:44 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:42 pm
Pretty sure we'd move past Detroit with a point (we have more ROW).
Yup the team goes on a solid win streak for the Sedins send off tour to finish 26th.

Consequently the odds are the team gets 6th overall.

So the team could have a shot at one of Boqvist, Tkachuk or Bouchard, as the top 3 likely are Dahlin, Svechnikov and Zadina.
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Diehard1 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:42 am

Meds wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:36 pm
Diehard1 wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:11 am
Meds wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:34 pm
Diehard1 wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:12 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:39 pm
Diehard1 wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:26 am
it will be interesting to see if the front office decides to change their 'keep the core together' tactic that has failed so miserably over the past 3 years now that the twins are no longer around.
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Worst overall record in the NHL over the past 3 seasons doesn’t lie.
The core? Lmao. All that was left of the core going into this season was the Sedins and Edler.
If we are talking about the 2011 core sure, but who is talking about that? This is 2018, probably time to move on. Over the past 3 years, who is a ‘core’ player they have moved? Hasn’t been one - Sedins, Edler, Tanev, Sutter, Eriksson, Horvat, all still here or soon to be retired. I guess you could say Burrows and Hansen, but I wouldn’t say they were core guys anymore.

The point is how loyal they’ve been to a core that has produced the worst results in the league over the past 3 years (can’t argue with the record). Now that the twins are gone they have a chance to change their tune and do things differently. Maybe we should wait to see what they do? I for one am very interested in the road forward and hope for some big changes.

You Benning apologists are so sensitive, can’t help but think everything is a shot at him even if it’s not.
Well, The Gillis core was who? Hank, Danny, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, and Luongo?

Of those guys all but Luongo were still here when Benning took over. He was forced to immediately move out Kesler.

He then continued on with the others for another season. Hamhuis refused to open up his NTC beyond a pair of teams. Bieksa was more accommodating.

Hansen and Burr both went willingly for decent returns.

Benning came in and moved out 66% of that core while stating that he was planning to build a new core from the ground up. So then he acquired some placeholders for the interim as well as some future pieces that had the potential to be a part of a new core or, failing that, at least support it.

Sutter, Baertschi, Eriksson, Gudbranson, Granlund, and Gagner, are names that fit the bill of placeholders with potential. Only Sutter (yeah he's overpaid and overrated), Baertschi, and Gudbranson, look like they might be good additions to surround a new core that Benning hopes to build around Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Juolevi, and Demko. I think that Virtanen might also be a guy they want to see as a core player, but he has to smarten up his game and his consistency.

So your definition of an old core to which Benning's loyalty is subject is somewhat lacking in basis.

The only truly core players, remaining with the team going into 2018-19, that we've seen in a Canucks uniform for more than a couple of games in the last 4 years are Horvat and Boeser. But yeah, you're right Diehard, they suck, be rid of them and transition to the next group.....what's your real name, Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish, or Darryl Katz?
Well, if this isn’t completely changing what I said to make a non-existent argument. What the hell are you going on about? Who said anything about the Gillis core aside from you?

The core isn’t the 2011 core. It’s this team’s core. Sedins, Edler, Tanev, Sutter, Baertschi, Gudbranson. They have been the worst team in the league in the last 3 seasons combined, that’s not up for debate, that’s just by number of points. Befor you get your knickers in a twist that’s not a shot at your boy Benning, that’s just stating facts.

The new core, the one that I’m excited about (yes I’ve consistently said this) is Horvat, Boeser, Stecher, Virtanen and the kids who are coming soon.

Now, getting back to my original point before you went off on a tangent that made zero sense, does Benning continue to hold on to Tanev, Sutter, Edler et al with the twins gone? Now it’s a full rebuild if he wants it, my point (again) was that Benning now has the chance to go full rebuild as opposed to sticking with what’s proven to be a crappy core (again, worst in the league by points last 3 seasons, not debatable).

Feel free to respond by going off on some point that I didn’t make, whatever floats your boat.

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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Diehard1 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:48 am

SKYO wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:44 am
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:42 pm
Pretty sure we'd move past Detroit with a point (we have more ROW).
Yup the team goes on a solid win streak for the Sedins send off tour to finish 26th.

Consequently the odds are the team gets 6th overall.

So the team could have a shot at one of Boqvist, Tkachuk or Bouchard, as the top 3 likely are Dahlin, Svechnikov and Zadina.
Don’t forget Dobson, Hughes and Wahlstrom along with Boqvist, Hughes and Bouchard. The draft is 7-8 deep after Dahlin so we will get a good player. I expect Benning to target a D all things being equal, assuming the draft goes as expected which it rarely does.

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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by RoyalDude » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:57 am

There is still hope we could win one of the 3 lottery rolls, but duh, who we kidding, it's the Vancouver Canucks.
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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by Diehard1 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:41 am

RoyalDude wrote:
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There is still hope we could win one of the 3 lottery rolls, but duh, who we kidding, it's the Vancouver Canucks.
What do you do if we get second or third? Pick the obvious winger, trade down for a dman? First is a no brainer and badly needed, but not sure yet another winger is the best use resources.

I would probably pick the winger and look to trade another of the young guys for another pick to grab a dman, as both Svechnikov and Zadina should be top line guys.

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Re: The 2018 NHL Entry Draft

Post by RoyalDude » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:48 am

Diehard1 wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:41 am
RoyalDude wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:57 am
There is still hope we could win one of the 3 lottery rolls, but duh, who we kidding, it's the Vancouver Canucks.
What do you do if we get second or third? Pick the obvious winger, trade down for a dman? First is a no brainer and badly needed, but not sure yet another winger is the best use resources.

I would probably pick the winger and look to trade another of the young guys for another pick to grab a dman, as both Svechnikov and Zadina should be top line guys.
I think you have to go with one of the wingers. Then throw millions at one of the CKarls(s)ons or weaponize the cap room and get more 1st round picks maybe getting D-men like McIsaac, Wilde, Woo or Smith and keep drafting D-men the rest of the draft
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